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Swampdankv2 · 06-30-2014, 11:28 AM

Since I am used to using this mix below I would like to stay with the mains but if any additives would benefit I would live to hear them

Normally I use..,

1 bale of promix bx
1 bag of ffof
Half a bag of ewc
And a cup each of jamaican,indonesian, and seabird guano
Cup of bone meal
Cup of b,ood meal
And per,ite to texture.

I brew compost teas and add EJ as necessary.

I plan to build a soil mox this week but zi want to try ising some local mishroom compost that has a promising smount of bioactivity.

Any suggestions to modify this would start a great dialog before I commit. I have great advice already from my bro DF.

And go!

Morcheeba* · 06-30-2014, 02:53 PM

SD,

ive seen Backyardfarmer and others in the 'Growing Large Tree' thread in the Tom Hill forum talk about products by the below company. i have not used any yet but i will.

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dank.frank · 06-30-2014, 07:22 PM

Kelp meal is a must have. I'm surprised with a full cup of the guanos and the blood / bone that you don't find the mix to be a bit hot...or that you would need any additional teas or additives at that point.

With the soil you have to think less NPK and more along the lines of what the amendments contribute in addition to their basic nutrient values - such as hormones and natural PGR's and things that specifically feed not the plant but the microbes in the soil.

Which is another thing I strongly recommend - take the time to order some BioVam. It will completely change the response of the plants. The difference is night and day.

If you talk to Microbeman - he will share with you how a large population of trichoderma can have a feast on a poplulation of mycorrhiza - which is why in my Basic Soil sticky - I suggest you increase population numbers of those specific bacteria by also using the BioAg Vam in conjunction with.

Either way - kelp meal and some beneficials - and you will see a dramatic increase in plant health. Granted, the Pro Mix is inoculated with glomus intraradices - which is certainly good, but diversity in the rhizosphere is key.

dank.Frank

Dab Strudel · 04-29-2016, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dank.frank

...Which is another thing I strongly recommend - take the time to order some BioVam. It will completely change the response of the plants. The difference is night and day.

If you talk to Microbeman - he will share with you how a large population of trichoderma can have a feast on a poplulation of mycorrhiza - which is why in my Basic Soil sticky - I suggest you increase population numbers of those specific bacteria by also using the BioAg Vam in conjunction with.

dank.Frank

Diggin up old threads

I would like to ask if you still feel this way, trichoderma mixing with mycohrriza? What ends up happening in the long run, with the thrichoderma eating the mycos, will one take over the other or will they find a way to coexist off of the soil food web once they are able to establish themselves?

dank.frank · 04-29-2016, 06:58 AM

Yes. I still use the same applications and I still think the same way about it.

However, bacterial populations are controlled in part by root exudates. The plant does send chemical signals that will help one bacterial population thrive and cause another to falter. This is based on plant needs.

Keeping in mind of course, mycorrhizae require root contact to actually survive and populate in the soil.

Technically speaking, the best utilization of the two components is to mix the Bio-Vam directly into the soil and apply the Bio Ag to the roots when transplanting.

dank.Frank

Dab Strudel · 04-29-2016, 07:11 AM

So the BioVAM in the soil will have the trichoderma feeding off of the mycos while the BioAg colonizes on the roots?
Do you add more of the BioAg every transplant or just the initial transplant? I know it takes for ever to colonize, but if your vegging for big ole outdoors you would have the time so I had to ask.

dank.frank · 04-30-2016, 12:14 AM

I only do it once. I see no reason to continue watering it in. If your soil is built on the concept of ensuring the ecosystem has what it needs to survive, then you know once colonized, populations can be sustained.

dank.Frank

moses wellfleet · 05-06-2016, 08:40 PM

Hi Frank may I ask some soil related questions in this thread?

dank.frank · 05-06-2016, 09:01 PM

Absolutely.

dank.Frank

moses wellfleet · 05-06-2016, 09:21 PM

Ok thanx!!

In your basic amendment recipe you list 1/3 cup dolomite lime and 2/3 cup oyster shell flour. I don't have access to oyster shell flour so should I go with a full cup dolomite lime? I will be adding the gypsum and calcium carbonate/calcitic lime.

I am using commercial EWC that has a sand and grit content as high as 20 percent. I prefer it to my own castings because it mixes much easier than 100% pure castings. So I am thinking about raising the EWC to 30% of my base mix to compensate for the sand content?

06-30-2014, 11:28 AM	#1
Swampdankv2 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Gulf Coast Posts: 377	Let's build this soil Since I am used to using this mix below I would like to stay with the mains but if any additives would benefit I would live to hear them Normally I use.., 1 bale of promix bx 1 bag of ffof Half a bag of ewc And a cup each of jamaican,indonesian, and seabird guano Cup of bone meal Cup of b,ood meal And per,ite to texture. I brew compost teas and add EJ as necessary. I plan to build a soil mox this week but zi want to try ising some local mishroom compost that has a promising smount of bioactivity. Any suggestions to modify this would start a great dialog before I commit. I have great advice already from my bro DF. And go! __________________ He that is taught only by himself has a fool for a master. HST swampdankv2 is a fictional character created by a group of adolescent midgets to impress chicks with. All images posted by us were stolen from people who actually grow plants. Any opinions expressed are the result of a club meeting think tank that meets every Thursday.
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Morcheeba* Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,322	SD, ive seen Backyardfarmer and others in the 'Growing Large Tree' thread in the Tom Hill forum talk about products by the below company. i have not used any yet but i will. https://www.growbetterfood.com/about-aea/join-us/ __________________ “In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating 10 raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death. Marijuana in its natural form is one of the safest therapeutically active substances known to man. By any measure of rational analysis marijuana can be safely used within the supervised routine of medical care. [DEA Administrative Law Judge - 1988]” ― Francis Young Time to kill the spasms
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06-30-2014, 07:22 PM	#3
dank.frank ef.yu.se.ka.e.em Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: hiding in plain sight Posts: 10,033	Kelp meal is a must have. I'm surprised with a full cup of the guanos and the blood / bone that you don't find the mix to be a bit hot...or that you would need any additional teas or additives at that point. With the soil you have to think less NPK and more along the lines of what the amendments contribute in addition to their basic nutrient values - such as hormones and natural PGR's and things that specifically feed not the plant but the microbes in the soil. Which is another thing I strongly recommend - take the time to order some BioVam. It will completely change the response of the plants. The difference is night and day. If you talk to Microbeman - he will share with you how a large population of trichoderma can have a feast on a poplulation of mycorrhiza - which is why in my Basic Soil sticky - I suggest you increase population numbers of those specific bacteria by also using the BioAg Vam in conjunction with. Either way - kelp meal and some beneficials - and you will see a dramatic increase in plant health. Granted, the Pro Mix is inoculated with glomus intraradices - which is certainly good, but diversity in the rhizosphere is key. dank.Frank __________________ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=258168 Bunch of fake ass neo-capitalists masquerading as counter culture cannabis enthusiasts with their thinly veiled self-justifications catering to the morally ambiguous for the sake of the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR
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04-29-2016, 06:58 AM	#5
dank.frank ef.yu.se.ka.e.em Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: hiding in plain sight Posts: 10,033	Yes. I still use the same applications and I still think the same way about it. However, bacterial populations are controlled in part by root exudates. The plant does send chemical signals that will help one bacterial population thrive and cause another to falter. This is based on plant needs. Keeping in mind of course, mycorrhizae require root contact to actually survive and populate in the soil. Technically speaking, the best utilization of the two components is to mix the Bio-Vam directly into the soil and apply the Bio Ag to the roots when transplanting. dank.Frank __________________ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=258168 Bunch of fake ass neo-capitalists masquerading as counter culture cannabis enthusiasts with their thinly veiled self-justifications catering to the morally ambiguous for the sake of the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR
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04-30-2016, 12:14 AM	#7
dank.frank ef.yu.se.ka.e.em Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: hiding in plain sight Posts: 10,033	I only do it once. I see no reason to continue watering it in. If your soil is built on the concept of ensuring the ecosystem has what it needs to survive, then you know once colonized, populations can be sustained. dank.Frank __________________ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=258168 Bunch of fake ass neo-capitalists masquerading as counter culture cannabis enthusiasts with their thinly veiled self-justifications catering to the morally ambiguous for the sake of the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR
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04-29-2016, 07:11 AM	#6
Dab Strudel Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 481	So the BioVAM in the soil will have the trichoderma feeding off of the mycos while the BioAg colonizes on the roots? Do you add more of the BioAg every transplant or just the initial transplant? I know it takes for ever to colonize, but if your vegging for big ole outdoors you would have the time so I had to ask.
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05-06-2016, 08:40 PM	#8
moses wellfleet Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Not close enough to tropical! Posts: 2,617	Hi Frank may I ask some soil related questions in this thread?
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05-06-2016, 09:01 PM	#9
dank.frank ef.yu.se.ka.e.em Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: hiding in plain sight Posts: 10,033	Absolutely. dank.Frank __________________ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=258168 Bunch of fake ass neo-capitalists masquerading as counter culture cannabis enthusiasts with their thinly veiled self-justifications catering to the morally ambiguous for the sake of the ALL MIGHTY DOLLAR
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05-06-2016, 09:21 PM	#10
moses wellfleet Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Not close enough to tropical! Posts: 2,617	Ok thanx!! In your basic amendment recipe you list 1/3 cup dolomite lime and 2/3 cup oyster shell flour. I don't have access to oyster shell flour so should I go with a full cup dolomite lime? I will be adding the gypsum and calcium carbonate/calcitic lime. I am using commercial EWC that has a sand and grit content as high as 20 percent. I prefer it to my own castings because it mixes much easier than 100% pure castings. So I am thinking about raising the EWC to 30% of my base mix to compensate for the sand content?
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