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hm I think if I recall correctly that one of the traits of the Swt#2 backcross male was that it also was autoflowering. Hence the strong trait in the SWT#3 release.
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Seems to be cleared up with new genetic input from what I can tell so far. I have grown out progeny from my male and Tangerine, Jack Herer, Maui, Blue Dream, and OG, and none have carried the trait. He seems to dominate most of the crosses due to the inbreeding though, so I have been mostly selecting specimen leaning towards the females.
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Well Picarus first you didn't use the original SWT#3, with the spg clone and the original SWT#2 bx male. You've used the the SW#3 F2. I would guess and hope that Koot' used a
SWT#3 female and male without the negative traits mentioned. Also it would seem your specific male doesn't carry that trait in you outcrosses. And if it did simple mendelian statistics would dictate that not all offspring from the male used in the outcrosses would show that trait. Personally I wouldn't have used the SWT#3 F2 for an outcross male but continued the linebreeding atleast one more generation since the F2 showed a varience in the offspring. Also to select away from the blueline towards the clone. Steve and Koot pretty much did the groundwork. But then again how many have the real clone to compare to? Good luck anyways. By the what traits are you hoping to incorperate with your offspring? |
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I meant SPG in characteristic, not the original. I was hoping to learn more about genetics by using the male to breed with females I like and compare what has been passed. I think the Sweet Tooth #3 f2 was a good choice because his characteristics are easy to pick out, oh and I like them. The seed description also sold me on it.
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I played a lot with the original F1 females (i never had a male, even if initially i searched one instead females), these chicks are very dominant in structure and floral type (SOG champions) to the F4 when they start to release the tension. The instant high too.
But the taste and smell is dominated with ease by near everything i tested on. BB, mazar, NYCD, SSH, pure sativa landrace, differents skunks ... each time i losted the SPG character. Andf it was what i searched the most lol |
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I am just testing the finished Jack Herer x Sweet Tooth #3 F2 and I must agree. Sweet Tooth flavor on them all. Jack barely comes through at all. The rush is quite good on these. Right to the eyes. I'll get some pics up asap.
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Fuel- what do you mean they with they start to relieve tension by F4 ?
Picarus-great that you're pleased with your cross. So you prefer the smell from the Tooth's then the Jack's? So the high is more to father or mother side in your cross? Hm the SWT#3 incross were quite low odour and flavour in smell compared GFxBB,Spg S1's, Dynamite and DNA's old Sweet Tooth cross. |
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The 4th generation of the crosss made with the ST#3 female (not BX, inbred after the heterosis).
During the three first generation, the ST#3 blood of the female i've used dominated the whole offspring over a various bunch of hybrids. Making them "homogenous" if you want. Then in F4 i started to have more variations to select. But the typicall taste that i searched was gone since the F1 in each case, it appear to be clearly passed by the dominance of the males if i read your returns. |
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Hm strange that you started to have variations in the F4, that your segregations of phenos started to seperate from the "homogenus" type you experienced as dominating. The Spg itsel is a polyhybrid and most of the plants you described as your choice of crossing with are polyhybrids too, so the range of phenotypical expresions would be gratest the first couple of gens. So what type of expressions did you find where recurring that you attribute to Sweet Tooth or SPG? Or what expressions did you encounter that appealed to your taste the most?
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The traits pushed by the Sweet Tooth #3 female i used was each time dominant on the general shape (pine, main cola, leaf to calyx ratio, benefic stretch, big trunk and short secondary stems), and insanely close to the F1 in vegetative stage (short seedling with big indica leafs and short internodes).
It increased the yield of all strains tested but it drastically changed the flower shape too, the nugs was a replica of the ones of the female even with the landrace. On the high not, even if it have speed up the effect like an "anti-creeper' tool each time. But the only trait i searched to pass was the taste (of the ST#3, that i attribute to the SPG blood). And it's the only one wich totally disapeared from the F1. So, for me this dominance test was not successfull and i hope to re-do the experience but with an odorfull male this time. I was not very surprised by the resistance of this blood over three generations, i allready had the case with the Serious Bubblegum, Dutch Skywalker, MNS Black Widow and Sensi Calif (to quote somes well known) in this type of gang bang. I have a less absolute view than you on it, i think that it will depend more on your own selection rather that if the strain is poly or not. The perfect example i've in mind is the Jack herer i'm playing with actually. If in F1 you can expect a well known variation (the coffeeshop lemon yielder, the hazey-racy high etc ...), it quickly become a genetical caterpillar if you BX it to your referal F1 cut (in my case, the lemon one). I'm affraid to throw a conclusion wich can be destroyed by an exception but, this time i used the male side and each time i get my lemon even against a Black Widow or an AK47 girl. |
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