[bambi]

grins abit'' - sorry elusive Q' - I worte without putting much thought into my last comment yea, I should no better to think before I reply to topics of intrest I suppose, living were I live can put me on edge is all, nz doesn't even no what medicinal pot is etc,

The phenotype photos thing I find interesting as I decided to do this very thing in a test grow and new varietys thread just recently to,

I went ahead and put up a photo of the keeper plant I use through out stabilizing the whole line, and the pic is the keeper in SEED FORM only,

Next I put up a photo of the seeds keeper plant CLONE Mother plant used from day/1 or used into next generation seed and next etc etc,

Being the strain in question was made for Med type Commercial growers the keeper photos should make it easier for them to find the keeper clone best for commercial use all round, best yield/47 - 49 day bloom time/ and so on, plus I explain things like the seed mom plant can take up to 8 wks to finish and in clone form shes the 7 weeker,

so I decided to do about four more write ups on these other best phenotypes favoured by other testers and not just myself, the whole concept I find intriguing mate and would like to write a page description on a strain like this, more info more sales I imagine,

don't think the pollen chuckers or ego sick liars can have info proving this phenol come from this plant and so on,on, perhaps a good way to tell them all apart in the breeders threads/coloums,

ps: il leave my own example of a seed mum plant and the clone I selected it off of the 6 clones always taken off of seed plants different branch's Important number the 6' to get the phenotypes like sativa/indica if there in the caoss,

I have noted lately some of the older breeders like skunk/man skunk or Mr nice having new photos up lately, the followers seem to know of all the talking to find the gem phenotype plants specified as theve growen so much I guess, a new strain with phenol not known to the seed purchaser
would be a treat thinking now, better than free unbreed seeds some verdors whom send out old cant sell seed' like by dear I say dna genetics normally sent

ps: A older breeder mate of mine working closely with the cbd boys has been getting full on terpine profile results lately, cbd/tch/ also,
looks great, tested on subject pheno blah' next and so on, info like this is good for the experience breeder I think and to show certain terpenes can change a trait your thinking of maybe . - thanx for listening - b.

This was a post meant for the other thread you made - both similar threads so il leave up for now, just ask if want it dusted off ' '' '

[Sam_Skunkman]

Originally Posted by bambi

grins abit'' - sorry elusive Q' - I worte without putting much thought into my last comment yea, I should no better to think before I reply to topics of intrest I suppose, living were I live can put me on edge is all, nz doesn't even no what medicinal pot is etc,

The phenotype photos thing I find interesting as I decided to do this very thing in a test grow and new varietys thread just recently to,

I went ahead and put up a photo of the keeper plant I use through out stabilizing the whole line, and the pic is the keeper in SEED FORM only,

Next I put up a photo of the seeds keeper plant CLONE Mother plant used from day/1 or used into next generation seed and next etc etc,

Being the strain in question was made for Med type Commercial growers the keeper photos should make it easier for them to find the keeper clone best for commercial use all round, best yield/47 - 49 day bloom time/ and so on, plus I explain things like the seed mom plant can take up to 8 wks to finish and in clone form shes the 7 weeker,

so I decided to do about four more write ups on these other best phenotypes favoured by other testers and not just myself, the whole concept I find intriguing mate and would like to write a page description on a strain like this, more info more sales I imagine,

don't think the pollen chuckers or ego sick liars can have info proving this phenol come from this plant and so on,on, perhaps a good way to tell them all apart in the breeders threads/coloums,

ps: il leave my own example of a seed mum plant and the clone I selected it off of the 6 clones always taken off of seed plants different branch's Important number the 6' to get the phenotypes like sativa/indica if there in the caoss,

I have noted lately some of the older breeders like skunk/man skunk or Mr nice having new photos up lately, the followers seem to know of all the talking to find the gem phenotype plants specified as theve growen so much I guess, a new strain with phenol not known to the seed purchaser
would be a treat thinking now, better than free unbreed seeds some verdors whom send out old cant sell seed' like by dear I say dna genetics normally sent.

I am sure you know that Mr Nice is not a breeder, he is just a marketing brand/logo.
If you want to see phenotypes expression grow them big, the differences are then exaggerated.
Of course the more phenotypes in a single variety maybe the breeder just did not do a good job? Or is just unable to produce seeds with one basic phenotype?
When you grow tomato seeds do you get a lot of different phenotypes? Why not? Hint, hint...
Maybe real plant breeders made the tomato seeds?
I have made my own tomato seeds for decades, they all breed true, and I do not get any different phenotypes, same with Cannabis, you/I can craft Cannabis varieties where all the seeds when grown look like fricking clones, almost identical, 10,000 or 100,000. Anyone that saw them in a field or close up would swear they were clones, not from seed, unless you check the roots or another way to see they are not clones, but seedlings.
I have consciously made seed batches to include phenotype variability, if that was my goal to help growers find something unique for them, but most seed makers just do what they do and see what happenes when they grow them out, if they even bother to do grow outs before they sell their new "variety" of seeds. They have zero control over phenotypes or much else.
The difference between a Cannabis plant breeder and most Cannabis seed makers is like the difference between an artist that makes original art like Leonardo Da Vinci, or Rembrandt, or Michelangelo, or Raphael, or Vincent Van Gogh, or Pablo Picasso, and people that use tracing paper to make copies of art. Even if the tracing is beautiful, it is not original art at all.
-SamS

[Guava]

Nice, Sam!

Thanks!

[nkxdnmxj773]

This is wonderful plant

[rhinoman 1]

Hey Sam, nice pics thanx for sharing.

[mazar_man]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

When you grow tomato seeds do you get a lot of different phenotypes? Why not? Hint, hint...
Maybe real plant breeders made the tomato seeds?
I have made my own tomato seeds for decades, they all breed true, and I do not get any different phenotypes,
-SamS

don't doubt your breeding skills for a second Sam but are you seriously comparing breeding tomato (an inbreeder) with a strong outbreeder like cannabis?? Making true breeding tomato is a walk in the park compared to cannabis especially with limitations on plant numbers. Are you sure Nevil is not ghost writing under your account? This sounds like something he would come up with

[Sam_Skunkman]

Originally Posted by mazar_man

don't doubt your breeding skills for a second Sam but are you seriously comparing breeding tomato (an inbreeder) with a strong outbreeder like cannabis?? Making true breeding tomato is a walk in the park compared to cannabis especially with limitations on plant numbers. Are you sure Nevil is not ghost writing under your account? This sounds like something he would come up with

Well to make a new high quality tomato that has high marks for taste, yield, storage, shipability, compatibility to local environmental conditions, as well as resistance to tomato pests and diseases is not all that easy.
Maybe you truly can't breed superior Cannabis without larger plant numbers, and attempts are limited by that.
I was just using tomatoes as an example because I have worked with both. Actually I maintained several varieties of heirloom tomatoes for my wife, I did not breed tomatoes, just made my own seeds year after year. The wife grows 50 or more big Heirloom tomato plants for our use and for tomato pulp peeled and frozen.
I have made seeds from dozens of plant species, I am an organic bio-dynamic vegie gardener for 45 years, a lifetime member of the Seed Savers Exchange.
I am not Nevil, to me he is the devil.

-SamS

[FatherEarth]

Sam,

Thanks for your testament. You are an inspiration to say the least.

If you dont mind sharing...? what/how do you feed your plants in your breeding projects?

Also, in your cloning pic with the flowers in rockwool.. Can you please share your technique?

Thanks again.

Respectfully,

FE

[Sam_Skunkman]

I fertilize the ground by plowing a foot+ deep , with an organic NPK corrals, a month before planting. Some rock minerals for extra P & K I also use various inoculates to improve soil life, I have used worm castings many times as well. I check the soil fertility every few years as well as PH and EC.
After 25 years I have it dialed in.
I just take clones, flowered or not, I stick them under sunshine with a HPS 400 light to make it 24 hrs, use rooting hormones, but it just adds a few days if I don't, keep the temps close to 20c I use a damp sand table with an electric heater underneath and a clear vinyl like top hinged that I can lift to open after a few days. Jiffy7's in the damp sand just covering the tops of the Jiffy-7 and they root in 10-15 days good enough to transplant into the ground or 10 lt pots. Flowered pieces can take much longer to re-veg and to root, so take 25 pieces you will save it easy, unless it is a very early WLD Indica that has flowered almost to the end, they can have troubles.
I don't think you need this info it must be elsewhere on IC, did you check? I am not the best cloner, but I do get 95% rooted quickly unless flowered already, then I get 10% to 75% to root.
I have also used small rockwool square pieces on ebb and flow tables and in damp sand, but I like the Jiffy-7's better. They both work well, Jiffys better for me.
-SamS

[OvergrowDaWorld]

Is this thread called "Resin Breeders - Show us pics of your op"
or can it be any breeders. LOL