[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

Besides health and vigor and photoperiod and flowering times I like to turn them female to judge the resin, and taste and smells and the type of effects and high they will pass to progeny. I also like them be an easy source of lots of pollen.
-SamS

Very interesting sam, you definitely go much further than most. Having done the sex reversing is there any greater way of understanding what traits males may lend without doing reversal? Example: stronger smelling males do in fact become stronger smelling females or breed stronger smelling plants?

Bt

PS: Any pics of your Durban poison?

[Sam_Skunkman]

Originally Posted by browntrout

Very interesting sam, you definitely go much further than most. Having done the sex reversing is there any greater way of understanding what traits males may lend without doing reversal? Example: stronger smelling males do in fact become stronger smelling females or breed stronger smelling plants?

Bt

PS: Any pics of your Durban poison?

Some people think this is true, I am not so sure.
The best way is by growing and trialing progeny offspring, but it can take thousands of plants to do much work right, almost no one does it, I have a bit. If you have 100 males you want to use then if you grow 100 seeds from each cross times just one girl, it is 10,000 plants that need to be trialed.
I will try and find SA, it will take me a while I am not so organized with my photos, and I don't take many.
-SamS

[PrimalHaze]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

Never said. It was Skunk#1 and a CBD variety we had grown and worked with, it was only 8-10 % CBD but no THC or almost none like maybe .01% I think.
-SamS

Thanks Sam! Was the 8-10% cbd variety descended from hash plants? Hemp plants?

[Backyard Farmer]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

Read the papers by Etienne P M de Meijer, The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. Genetics. Jan 2003: 153 (1): 335-346

It is online. As well as 3 other papers on the same subject,
The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. II
The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. III
The inheritance of chemical phenotype in Cannabis sativa L. IV
-SamS

I never said s7 that I can remember, after s4 or s5 the plants are almost impossible to work with, to much recessive crap like functionally sterile males, that do not dehisce, the pollen is to sticky and while still good it does not drop at all and must be used with a q-tip.
-SamS

Thank you , that is what I was interested in. I thought I had read S7 to isolate chemotype, my intent wasn't to misquote you , only to glean a bit of information from your experience.

Again, thank you

[Pangea]

I question if one is to breed in such large amounts the starting source is paramount, no? My trust in the seedy market was ruined long ago.
So does it matter, if the variety you choose to start a large project with suits your starting desires gleaned in traits present in smaller scale trials?
If its a bx, f2, poly x poly, using one male and one female, and whatever else is the norm/hacking from our closets, basements, warehouse dungeons that have been spread far and wide touching and perhaps contaminating the original fields they whence came?

Breeders show us pics? Its obvious that it doesnt happen because its mainly very unimpressive, anyone with a couple kW's can become a breeder and start selling seeds, in the world of everyone having a high def camera and video camera in there pocket there is a huge absence of documentation. Breeding to me is like math, it doesnt mean a lot unless you show your work. At the same time I wonder does it really matter if the end result satisfies? Either way, selling seeds and not growing those seeds constantly and showing/sharing how those plants perform is lame I could care less about their op, show me what your selling.

[browntrout]

Originally Posted by Sam_Skunkman

Some people think this is true, I am not so sure.
The best way is by growing and trialing progeny offspring, but it can take thousands of plants to do much work right, almost no one does it, I have a bit. If you have 100 males you want to use then if you grow 100 seeds from each cross times just one girl, it is 10,000 plants that need to be trialed.
I will try and find SA, it will take me a while I am not so organized with my photos, and I don't take many.
-SamS

Pretty much what I've come to the conclusion of, helps hearing it from the horses mouth. That amount of plants is a full time job for most people! Looking forward to the pics, thanks.

BT

[bambi]

[quote=tropicannayeah;6560735]This hacking on breeders some like yourself don't no personally is getting very old, shantibaba for example is one of the best breeders around, makes good selections from many many Clones any breeder needs to do to make a good plant,

Good to hear you are off that shit..one step at a time! good for you

and since you are nodding off right now, please re-read what I said about Shanti, it had nothing to do with his ability as a seed seller, grower or crosser of hybrids, it was just that when Haze was developed, he must of been about 6 year's old and yet claimed to know all about to the extent he was disagreeing online with Sam about it who was living next door to the Haze Brothers at the time Haze was first bred.

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hello long time no write eh''

I liked your attitude and why I'm replying really,
Older breeders like Sam the skunkyman and others youl have noticed most of there Early Creation's were the shit of all shit or there best work to date;

Just like a scientist our work is at is best when we make our first breakthrough or plant in this case, then a few more until idea's are not so abundant etc, - same as rock singers releasing there 1st albums usually the best one of many to come,

So in turn old school breeders are abit inclined this way also,
mind you for some there best work is yet to come and they don't even know it yet perhaps, - better than to fade away I guess }

shantibaba's haze thing is just that, given seeds when younger off a friend like it used to be before seed banks or internet really, personally I can not stand the taste of original haze, the highs okay though, id mix in some oxacan to try rid that earthy mouldy flavour away if I had a haze,
I do have skunky/mans thai haze and skunk though, beautiful looking plant that one at 10 weeks bloom time, taste put me off but was high yielding with a double dose of skunk num/1.

& I am officially off all pain med's now, I used suboxone to wean off the OxyContin brand of oxycodone +
morphine pills nz addicts turn into herion with AA or a trype of acidic acid smelling like pure vinager they burn off before injecting, unlike the krokadial homebake from Russia the leave the poison in it with out burning it off the retards or true zombies I call em, poor bastards really... ...... ......... ps: I don't think there was any such haze brothers and more a myth ? - I could be worng but I could be right ? - sam might be able to shed light on that subject hes been around longer than I.________bambi NZ.
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I have less than zero respect for any lying, thieving, itching, pathetic smack head, to me they are the dog shit on the pavement and I have only an utter sneering, snarling contempt of them, the Dalai Lama I'm not lol. Pretty harsh eh? but bad experiences and rip-offs will do that to ya... etc...

Bambi - Me either , however when those crack heads clean up and re wire there brains with whatever they think is morally right is the coolest thing ive ever done in my mid life of lifes challenges, brain cells go into comba tose like states and repair when clean as in the age the addict first begun using, acting out like a teenager when there in there mid or late 30's is a give away to this fact.

[bambi]

Originally Posted by Weird

showing pictures will get people robbed? lol

any breeder worth their salt should be proud to display their work but then again how many breeders actually do their own work?

Yes pictures can and have had people I personally know of, outdoor back ground photo's can lead others to the near by plot's to;

Or if ya ever find yourself in a court of law with pictures of your own grow inside or out perhaps then the - Lol wont be as lol !

I get the be proud to display thing yet most come to the point of lesser ego needed once there out of questions really and insight becomes life, not self ego the minority of people will only ever know is my take on this. = buds speed & light where ever it leads you or family.

[aridbud]

I get the be proud to display thing yet most come to the point of lesser ego needed once there out of questions really and insight becomes life, not self ego the minority of people will only ever know is my take on this. = buds speed & light where ever it leads you or family.

Sage wisdom!!

[Dropped Cat]

Here's my stable:



Small, but it gets me closer to the product I desire.

Two lines from P1 cross of a bagseed circa 1979 and
Ed's nycd x sensi star.

I'm at f2 selection of females to cross back to the male
nycd x sensi star.

It's a learning experience on a micro scale.

Great fun, y'all should try it.