[aridbud]

Originally Posted by BushyOldGrower

I do have a forum here quite full of stuff. Even a thread on phenotypes of my SSK but people doubt what a breeder shows anyways.

The best and most credible info comes from others who demo their grows.

When I do it comments like, "how many packs of seeds did you go through to find that phenotype?"

It was just one pack as stated but people doubt that I will show you what to expect.

The truth is that I don't want unreasonable expectations. I want you to know the truth but do I want to show my mistakes?

Not really. Do you?

Check out my forum...Bog

Amen...completely agree with you BOG and have a similar philosophy as a breeder. Being upfront HONEST, I think, goes much farther than fluctuations in phenos of a certain strain. However, some folks are driven by visuals.

Just like parenting....each babe in arms, every kiddo looks different from one another,(unless embryonic twins) but have the same genetics, same parents. Some look like their parents, some don't.
Bottom line....phenos of each??

[marijuanamat]

You get people who arn't satisfied no matter how much info and pics you show em.

[bombadil.360]

Originally Posted by aridbud

Just like parenting....each babe in arms, every kiddo looks different from one another,(unless embryonic twins) but have the same genetics, same parents. Some look like their parents, some don't.
Bottom line....phenos of each??

That's not really a good comparison, i.e: human offspring and plants' cultivars.

if X person says he has bred Y cannabis cultivar to be stable enough so as to expect little variation between individuals, then the cultivar must express itself in all of its individuals with as little variation as possible. This is doable through selective breeding.

now, when it comes to humans mating and the subsequent offspring, first, no one expects uniformity in the offspring, and 'selective breeding' as we know it for plants is meaningless for humans, as the genetic material and behavior of human DNA is way more complex and unknown than that of plants.

if breeders of most other plants' cultivars (like tomato, cucumber, etc...) can manage to offer a stable cultivar that will behave in such and such a way, why can't people expect the same from cannabis breeders?

Now I have the pleasure of seeing five really good looking blue moon rocks by BOG that a friend popped, and all five look and behave very similar, they not only have similar growth rates, phenotype, smell, but drink, eat and stretch the same... lets not take BOG's humility as meaning he does not know what he's really doing...

peace

[BushyOldGrower]

Does someone doubt that I know what I'm doing?

LOL...

Thanks I think. Bog

[windycitysmoker]

Agreed 1000% with u

[hubcap]

I would think most growers, if they didnt get plants that looked IDENTICAL to the breeders photos, they would be bitchin and the smear campaign would commence. Someone hit the nail on the head by saying you arent going to please everyone.

I remember the days seeds came in a coffee can and "good luck, dude" was the 'breeders description. You kids are spoiled these days.

Be thankful there are any descriptions at all. In due time the marketing/packaging/etc will evolve, but, not until acceptance is more universal. In my humble view anyways.

If there is a piece of info you need about a certain strain, chances are, if you ask here, in a day or two, you will have your answer.....or the next closest thing.

Rock on y'all. Regardless of the gripes, we all have one thing in common, right? And that is a good thing. Keep on doin whatcha doin.


-cap

[theJointedOne]

I don't think in today's world it's asking too much to ask for a picture of various phenos from the seed stock one is considering purchasing. Also include a description and breed history overview while your at it.

[windycitysmoker]

Originally Posted by hubcap

I would think most growers, if they didnt get plants that looked IDENTICAL to the breeders photos, they would be bitchin and the smear campaign would commence. Someone hit the nail on the head by saying you arent going to please everyone.

I remember the days seeds came in a coffee can and "good luck, dude" was the 'breeders description. You kids are spoiled these days.

Be thankful there are any descriptions at all. In due time the marketing/packaging/etc will evolve, but, not until acceptance is more universal. In my humble view anyways.

If there is a piece of info you need about a certain strain, chances are, if you ask here, in a day or two, you will have your answer.....or the next closest thing.

Rock on y'all. Regardless of the gripes, we all have one thing in common, right? And that is a good thing. Keep on doin whatcha doin.


-cap

be thankful theres any descriptions at all?i live in the u.s where its legal in some states. There are real companies that actually make a living off our purchases.were not talking about a blackmarket closet hack pollen chucking wannabie.wtf is every1 stopped buying there stuff.u better beleave companies would do anything to get your money including putting different pheno pics up.they got spoiled and money keeps coming so dont except pheno pics anytime soon

[hubcap]

Originally Posted by windycitysmoker

be thankful theres any descriptions at all?i live in the u.s where its legal in some states. There are real companies that actually make a living off our purchases.were not talking about a blackmarket closet hack pollen chucking wannabie.wtf is every1 stopped buying there stuff.u better beleave companies would do anything to get your money including putting different pheno pics up.they got spoiled and money keeps coming so dont except pheno pics anytime soon

I made a post explaining further, how, once it (the industry) becomes more widely accepted (3 legal states isnt exactly a windfall, but, its a start) then, I think, you will see marketing/detailing become more commonplace. Especially with the newer crowd. More time is expended in SAFELY making a quality product. The breeder knows the quality but the potential grower doesnt. Maybe its just a matter of disconnect? Breeders feel "Expect a fairly uniform crop in 70+ days" as being an adequate description. Which, of course, we all agree, it isnt, but wanting pics of every pheno that could possibly come from a pack would be almost near impossible considering some of the crosses out there these days. I agree breeder descriptions should be more encompassing, but, the industry is still new. The main players in the game (up until now) didnt all exactly reside in CA or CO or......They were/are in foreign nations or FAR behind enemy lines. Breeder depending.....it isnt always about money and trying to make everyone happy. Even tho....9 times outta 10, if they just grew the stuff and sampled the end result....they will be happy. Growers fear change and the unknown. Breeders understand its part of the game. Give it time......the marketing and cataloging will get better and better over time. Once the risk is generally -nil- no matter where one resides. regardless........keep on keeping on........and make threads of every grow. We dont need to rely on breeders if we all document and detail all of our grows. -cap