[moose eater]

Thanks, coconut.

To clarify, my trim contains no fan leaves, and probably hits some place between 10 & 15% THC. Seriously. Again, ONLY sugar trim is/was used.

And all trim was sieved ONCE for hash-making, a while before being soaked then boiled with the ghee & final wash of H2O.

I used a quarter of the total butter (probably just over 2.125 oz. of butter) in what became 14-16 brownies. So, 1/14th or 1/16th of the ~2.125 oz. of butter per brownie.

I've eaten plenty of edibles before, and have seen a family member suffer nausea from too high of a dose. And I am familiar with the differences in body high re. eating THC, versus the more common effects of smoking. But I haven't previously used your rinse method to rid the excess chlorophyll, or other debris.

That said, yes, as far as finding a dose range for a given batch of brownies, I've adjusted way back on this batch.

Last night, needing again to sleep and still in a bit of pain from the trip, as well as routine discomfort I live with, I ate a HALF of a brownie. I woke up early after going to bed late (as a result of my family members' movements early in the A.M.), and noted I was still a bit stoned after eating the half brownie ~6 hours earlier.

Took me a bit to get pointed in the right direction, but after 2-1/2 cups of dark, freshly-ground, French roast coffee, I was "good to go." ... and proceeded cautiously with the morning's required activities.

So at this point, for this batch of butter, and this batch of brownies, one half of a brownie is ample dosage.

I probably need to inquire with a friend in the Mat-Su valley, to whom I gave a whole brownie a while ago, and see if she had to hold onto the hand rails or use a walker after eating it..


Fortunately there's no known easily-attained lethal overdose threshold for this stuff.

Originally Posted by coconutcurry

Lets reckon a bit again:

Assuming your 170 g trim contains 4% THC. This means 170 / 100 * 4 = 6.8 g THC completely. You think you used a quarter. That would mean 6.8 g / 4 = 1.7 g (or 1700 mg)

1.7 g THC - not 1.7g Weed

Yes 1.7 g pure THC is a bit too much...

If people get Dronabinol or Sativex, as far as I know they get amounts of about 10 - 30 mg THC.

[coconutcurry]

Originally Posted by moose eater

I've eaten plenty of edibles before, and have seen a family member suffer nausea from too high of a dose. And I am familiar with the differences in body high re. eating THC, versus the more common effects of smoking. But I haven't previously used your rinse method to rid the excess chlorophyll, or other debris.

Originally Posted by moose eater

That said, yes, as far as finding a dose range for a given batch of brownies, I've adjusted way back on this batch.

I was sure you would adjust soon.

Originally Posted by moose eater

Last night, needing again to sleep and still in a bit of pain from the trip, as well as routine discomfort I live with,...

So you use it also medical like me. I have problems with inflammations of my colon and I find inflammations are less if I use the butter. Can't really make a difference between medical and recreational use.

Originally Posted by moose eater

I probably need to inquire with a friend in the Mat-Su valley, to whom I gave a whole brownie a while ago, and see if she had to hold onto the hand rails or use a walker after eating it..

Alaska. Nice. I hope she is still your friend.

Originally Posted by moose eater

Fortunately there's no known easily-attained lethal overdose threshold for this stuff.

Yes, you're right. I'm glad, too. Even after years of experience I have 'accidents' occasionally.

[moose eater]

A family member ate a half of a brownie last night, from this last (now frozen and still moist) batch of dark chocolate walnut brownies. She appreciated the decreased taste of the chlorophyll, etc., making the eating of the brownie less nauseating for her, as she is the one who had become ill when over-doing dosage in the past, thus the memory, added to trying to eat canna brownies again, sometimes upsets her stomach before she gets any down.

When she woke up this morning, she stated she could still feel the effects of the half-brownie from last night.

We'll consider them to be 'weight-watchers' canna-brownies.. Less brownie required for a suitable buzz, means fewer calories and less fat. ;^>)

I rarely eat my canna-brownies unless I'm trying to get to sleep, and a toke, a shot of tequila and (in one of a very limited half-dozen nights per year) a pain pill still leaves me struggling to achieve sleep. In those cases, a brownie puts me down pretty well.

In that manner, the brownies function pretty well, except where spine injuries are concerned, waking up in the middle of the night with interference between the brain's instructions, and the legs' receipt of those instructions, sometimes leads to memorable complications... The back doesn't like over-compensating for intoxicants that interfere with muscle control in the legs, and sends a 'bill' the next morning, sometimes. ;^>)

Anyway, I'm sure in the future, after I've sieved my trim for hash-making, I'll use the method you've shared herein. A stash of canna-butter in the freezers would be as good a stock to have in significant supply as any. Like making sure the medicine cabinet doesn't run low on band aids. ;^>)

[coconutcurry]

Originally Posted by moose eater

A family member ate a half of a brownie last night,...

Hope this was non of your kids ;-)

Originally Posted by moose eater

When she woke up this morning, she stated she could still feel the effects of the half-brownie from last night.

I also find my breakfast much more relaxed when my kids are still stoned.

Originally Posted by moose eater

We'll consider them to be 'weight-watchers' canna-brownies.. Less brownie required for a suitable buzz, means fewer calories and less fat. ;^>)

You're right. I also make my cannabutter strong, because I don't like to eat huge amounts of butter. I made cups of Bhang with 40 or 50 g of ghee and this is possible, but not tasty. And yes, this are a lot of calories. I prefer to use not more than 15 or 20 gram of butter and this means the butter should be strong.

Originally Posted by moose eater

I rarely eat my canna-brownies unless I'm trying to get to sleep, and a toke,

Don't worry. This will get better by and by. After a while you will have no problems to eat your cannabutter from the morning to the evening. No one forces you to eat a couple of gram THC, many people just try some milligram. This is possible, too. ;-)

Originally Posted by moose eater

a shot of tequila and (in one of a very limited half-dozen nights per year)

Oh, you like tequila. I prefer vodka. This is my favorite:
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The 'Green Mark' is one of the best low-cost vodkas. The 'Green Mark' was originally an official seal of approval of the Soviet Union for the quality vodka. And I have to admit I drink it daily, but only very small amounts.

Originally Posted by moose eater

a pain pill still leaves me struggling to achieve sleep. In those cases, a brownie puts me down pretty well.

And I'm convinced your brownie is much better for your health than chemicals of the pharmacy-mafia.

Originally Posted by moose eater

In that manner, the brownies function pretty well, except where spine injuries are concerned, waking up in the middle of the night with interference between the brain's instructions, and the legs' receipt of those instructions, sometimes leads to memorable complications...

Spine injuries? This sounds pretty bad. What do you mean with that? You mean you have backache? What you describe sounds like you have probs with your spinal disk and when your legs don't do what you want, most likely a nerve is jammed between spine and spine disk.
I also have backache. Often. But weed doesn't help me really. Nothing really helps me concerning that.

When I was young, my father once told me: When you are older than 50 years, and you wake up in the morning, and you don't feel any pain, then you know you are dead.

Originally Posted by moose eater

Anyway, I'm sure in the future, after I've sieved my trim for hash-making, I'll use the method you've shared herein. A stash of canna-butter in the freezers would be as good a stock to have in significant supply as any. Like making sure the medicine cabinet doesn't run low on band aids. ;^>)

Yes, one should diversify the assortment.

[coconutcurry]

Some thoughts in hindsight:

Why is this kind of cannabutter so fucking strong? I think there are two very simple reasons, but I'm no scientific, so this is just a guess of mine.

Transforming the THCA into THC and soaking the leaves with fat are the crucial points I guess.

1) Cooking the water-butter-mix brings the best temperature for decarboxylation and if you cook it for hours all the inactive THCA will be transformed into the active THC. The THCA is a precursor of the THC. If you smoke a joint only very little of the THCA is transformed into THC. The big mass of THCA will be simply destroyed. But cooking your weed for hours means all the THCA will decarboxylized and it is possible that you have weed which contains as much THCA as THC. This would mean you will double the strength simply by cooking it for a couple of hours.

2) It is not easy to get the THC out of the leaves. The better the leaves are soaked with fat, the better the crop. By cooking the water-ghee-leaves-mix for long time, you soak the leaves as much as possible with fat. And if the fat is deep inside of the cells of the leaves, then you can press out as much as possible.
Watering the leaves with water to get rid of all the unwanted stuff, the chlorophyll, glucose, protein etc. is not just for taste, but also for soaking the leaves. When the leaves are soaked two days with water, they suck of the fat more easy.

[moose eater]

I drank a fifth (28.? oz.) of vodka when I was 15 and living away from home, renting a basement from some biker/trucker folks. I slept on a water bed that night. BAD move. I had self-induced sea sickness all night long, constantly running out the daylight basement's back door to vomit. Haven't been a vodka fan ever since. Nor gin, either.

A good shot of smooth reposado tequila, not so woody in aged flavor as to no longer taste like tequila as is the case with some anejo tequilas, but not quite fresh or unsettled like a silver or blanco. Every now and again I'll mix a smoother Canadian whiskey with a touch of maple syrup and 2% milk or half & half for a dessert beverage.

Otherwise, I tend to drink one to two micro-brewed higher abv beers/day, with most of them ranging from 6.5% abv to 9.9% abv. I try to limit my intake to 1-2 alcoholic beverages total in any given 24-hour period.

No, no minor children in my home have experimented with any of my cannabis products. They know the rules, the why of it all, and the wrath the remaining son who still lives with us would face if such infractions occurred. My other two kids are adults now, and welcome to (hopefully safely and in an educated capacity) experiment with most of those things available in life..

Yeah, as far as pain pills go, I've never had a taste for the high, so it's (like I wrote earlier) about 5-6 per year, unless there's off-the-scale-pain, in which case they can become like jelly beans. Been years since that sort of experience, and I don't miss it.

Back aches are the limited end of my experience. My lumbar has been in deterioration for decades, and now is bad enough that they won't consider fusion as an option (which I find to be a relief, as fusion terrifies me). The neurosurgeon has stated, however, that he wants to do fusion to 2-3 levels in my cervical spine/neck, and I intend to plead humbly with him to find a less debilitating procedure to address this when I see him in several weeks (perhaps something similar to the lumbar procedure<s> he's planning, though this is HIS area of expertise, not mine.. I'm just the guinea pig in this whole affair).

Despite past MRIs and those currently planned on a more limited basis, they can only guess as to what 'popped' in my thoracic spine. Thus far the best guess is that in lifting some weight, the pop I heard and felt my center/thoracic spine shift, was likely the result of one of the cross-hatched ligaments that runs up and down the spine in X patterns, letting go of its anchoring.. Meaning some place in the middle of my spine, there's likely a ligament floating aimlessly about, scratching its proverbial head, four+ years later, still mumbling something about "What the fuck happened???!!" ;^>)

The numbness in the legs, which I feel when sneezing or coughing when erect/standing, or when standing up from a low-profile sitting position, etc., is apparently likely related to my spinal cord being pinched by either vertebrae or discs (probably near the lumbar). MRIs should soon define this development for us.

The tension, pain, and numbness, as well as serious discomfort, that can run down my neck base, shoulders, arms, and hands, is from compression of nerves/spine/spinal cord in my cervical/neck area.

And no, the benefits form cannabis for the back pain, though there are -some-, are limited. Sleep, however, is something that cannabis helps with. And even before the spine issues, I dealt with dyssomnia for well over 40 years.

Nothing graceful about getting old. Yes, waking up stiff and aching is part of the script.

I had a professor in sociology 35-40 years ago, from India, a descendant of a Brahmin family, though not a traditionalist in all regards in re. to the cast system, who was somewhat of an activist on campus back then, and who taught social work and sociology courses. He reportedly had family members linked to the practice of medicine in India, and I had been seeking a neurosurgeon in India (Medanta, ultimately), preceding getting my current health insurance. Eventually my former professor replied to an e-mail, saying something similar to your father's implied message ; "Why not be content with what you have?"

I've thought about that for a long time now. Still do. Much of surgery on the spinal cord is a roll of the dice. I'm guessing that for everyone who has a successful procedure, there's those who wake up with less function than they had. I think about that a fair bit. How much pain or disability is too much? How much improvement makes less pain, or even the possibility of paralysis, worth the risk or effort? Why not slowly fade away?

But as I've continued (or tried to continue) to live the way I want, this seems like the best path for now. I figure I have maybe 4-5 more years that my youngest son still would benefit from me to taking him to the bush, to my favorite remote places, showing him what I know, teaching him what I can about my moral code, nature, human kind, a sense of justice, etc., and then let what ever may come, come.

[coconutcurry]

Not the best associations concerning vodka. But I would prefer the Canadian whiskey instead of the tequila.
Also I try to reduce my drinks as much as possible. But a bottle of beer (half a liter 5%) and two or three little shot glasses of vodka is something I enjoy in the evening.

And I never really assumed you feed your kids with brownies when bedtime. Just kidding.

I'm sorry to read your story. Sounds bad. And you're right. Sometimes it is difficult to decide if the quacks should perform a surgery or not.

Meanwhile I have a couple of health issues but most do I struggle with my colon. I had and still have a severe diverticulitis. I've been five times to hospital within the last two years and meanwhile the quacks removed the lower part of my colon. My belly is full of scars, I woke up puking in pain in the intensive care, with tubes and needles in every orifice of my body, but I still have new inflammations of my colon now. And the quacks told me everything would be fine after surgery.

Don't mistake me, in the end I'm thankful,because my colon was already perforated and without surgery I would be dead. But the result is not what they were talking about.

You're right, getting old is not graceful. And weed definitely makes my life more livable.

By the way - it was nice to have some cannabutter muffins in hospital. It made my stay much more endurable and I needed less of their oxycodon.

Cannabutter is drug and medicine at the same time. Share this recipe. There are many people out there who struggle with health issues and the cannabutter makes many things more endurable. And I think especially of people who don't have any health insurance at all.

And if you are searching for hospitals outside your country, have a look in Bangkok. Bangkok have very good inexpensive hospitals.

[coconutcurry]

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[coconutcurry]

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I have troubles with my TOR connection

[moose eater]

Thanks.

Yes, the fact is that modern medicine is still learning about the seemingly endless unknowns, and there's been times I've thrown good money away seeking conventional medical help. But in the current case, having a person who is reputed to be very good, and trying to be conservative in the approach taken, may work for the best.. I hope.

Glad that at least some of your ills were corrected by surgery, even if the primary cause for the surgery came back.

We've copied the process/recipe for your canna butter into large font, and printed it out. We'll share your method with any who inquire, or who might benefit from it. I know we'll be using it again. I'll probably be making a double batch of canna-butter brownies 4 times/year or more now, so the next batch will likely be coming up in a month and a half or so.

Thanks again!