[coconutcurry]

Originally Posted by moose eater

*Moving the vegetative matter back and forth during straining is a pain in the ass, with no clear method (yet) for keeping it neat, and not losing at least a minor amount of the greenery in each process...

Best way for me I found so far is to use two big pots or buckets and when I pressed out the leaves, I give this big green leaves ball out of my dish cloth/ cheese cloth into one pot and wash out the dirty dishcloth in the other pot using just some plain cold water. When this water is full of leaves I give it into the other pot and I repeat cleaning the dishcloth until the other pot is full of water.

It is better to sieve the resin glands before soaking.

Originally Posted by moose eater

An initial 'loss' of ~35% of the total ghee...

This is no problem at all. You will harvest this loss when you cook it a second time. I just cooked butter the last two days and I just reckoned - Seems in my first run I had a loss of 25%. But this doesn't matter, cause I cook it not just one time but at least two times. Second yield will be less and weaker, but THC is not lost. If I want to "squeeze" out as much THC as possible, I cook it a third time and I use less and less butter the more often I cook the greens.

Originally Posted by moose eater

...when the ghee was still liquid, but cooling, I stuck my finger through the oil film... I ended up with my finger coated in oil/liquid ghee, so I licked off the finger in question...

Seems we have a new cannabutter fan ;-)

Originally Posted by moose eater

Thanks again!!

You're welcome.

[coconutcurry]

Originally Posted by Growcephus

Wow, did not expect the initial results. So pleased.

I got 25g of dried plant product from the 3 "volunteer" males and used it in 8 oz of coconut oil. Sampled a 7g serving of coconut oil with some tea and milk and achieved a very mellow and pleasant buzz. There's definitely more THC in those young male plants than I had thought. Glad the OP made this thread.

You used 25g leaves and 8 oz coconut oil and just 7 g gave you a mellow buzz. I used 125 g and 9 oz ghee and moose eater used 170g leaves and 9 oz ghee, what means my and moose eater's cannabutter is about five or seven times stronger than yours.

7 g gave you a mellow buzz? What do you think what kind of buzz you will get if you don't eat 7 g but 35 g or 49 g of your stuff? Will it still be a mellow turn? And 35 g of your cannabutter will be as strong as 7 g of mine or maybe 4g or 5 g of moose eater's, assumed our leaves would be all of the same quality.

So I repeat my warnings to try this very carefully first time. 5g cannabutter can be very less or very much.

And - Welcome to the club.

And good to know coconut oil works the same like ghee.

[moose eater]

I don't recall what total weight of butter I used in a batch of dark chocolate walnut whole grain pastry flour brownies, sweetened with maple syrup and a touch of honey, but it was a double batch or so of what was originally (seemingly) a smaller amount of brownie batter, per the recipe.

I think I used slightly less than about 1/4 of my total butter/ghee from the efforts the other day.

Anyway, I cut the two trays of brownies into 14-16 brownies, with one tray deeper than the other, so those were cut smaller. Of the shallower tray of brownies, they measured (when cooked) about 5/8" or so thick, and about 3-1/2" to 4" square.

I put most of the brownies in the freezers in quart freezer bags, then into gallon freezer bags, to try and retain moisture (who likes a dry brownie???). I clearly labeled them as "Adults -ONLY- Brownies"... Just in case.. Avoiding any embarrassing explanations to local parents of my son's friends, should they one night raid my freezers.. Heaven forbid!!

So, a while later, following a trip into the mountains to fish for lake trout and burbot, we came out of the mountains, and returned home from our fishing trip. My body was sore as a bastard. I rarely sleep well, and -really had difficulty sleeping while in pain. So I ate one of those larger, thinner brownies.

Can't recall what else I did that night to alleviate pain and induce sleep. Maybe nothing. It's all a blur now.

What I -do- know is that when I woke up in the middle of the night, on at least 2 different occasions, I had to work -really- hard to stand up and find my balance.

Someone should've hidden me in the basement at that point, for at least a couple of days..

I made my way to the restroom like a newbie surfer, hunched over his board, trying to lower his center of gravity ever lower, to the point he's nearly walking on his knees.

In conclusion.. make smaller brownies, or use less butter. THAT WAS WAAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH THC!!!!!

See.. Despite my gray beard, and worn out body, I'm still young enough to learn stuff.

Originally Posted by coconutcurry

You used 25g leaves and 8 oz coconut oil and just 7 g gave you a mellow buzz. I used 125 g and 9 oz ghee and moose eater used 170g leaves and 9 oz ghee, what means my and moose eater's cannabutter is about five or seven times stronger than yours.

7 g gave you a mellow buzz? What do you think what kind of buzz you will get if you don't eat 7 g but 35 g or 49 g of your stuff? Will it still be a mellow turn? And 35 g of your cannabutter will be as strong as 7 g of mine or maybe 4g or 5 g of moose eater's, assumed our leaves would be all of the same quality.

So I repeat my warnings to try this very carefully first time. 5g cannabutter can be very less or very much.

And - Welcome to the club. View Image

And good to know coconut oil works the same like ghee.

[exploziv]

Originally Posted by coconutcurry

You used 25g leaves and 8 oz coconut oil and just 7 g gave you a mellow buzz. I used 125 g and 9 oz ghee and moose eater used 170g leaves and 9 oz ghee, what means my and moose eater's cannabutter is about five or seven times stronger than yours.

7 g gave you a mellow buzz? What do you think what kind of buzz you will get if you don't eat 7 g but 35 g or 49 g of your stuff? Will it still be a mellow turn? And 35 g of your cannabutter will be as strong as 7 g of mine or maybe 4g or 5 g of moose eater's, assumed our leaves would be all of the same quality.

So I repeat my warnings to try this very carefully first time. 5g cannabutter can be very less or very much.

And - Welcome to the club. View Image

And good to know coconut oil works the same like ghee.

For deep trips i take (at least) 20-30 gr of cannaghee made from 300 gr butter and 100 gr bud. But I would not recommend any dose over the equivalent of 5 gr bud to anyone without makins sure they can handle it by slowly upping dosage. It can be unpleasant if the trip drives itself and you can't control it. I had 1 bad trip as well when I mixed cannabutter (a dose equivalent to 20 gr bud) with some tea that had mango in it. Seems to make the effects at least 3-4 times more powerful. Tested this again by having mango and taking a dose equivalent of 5 gr bud that felt more powerful than a 20 g dose. So we need to be aware of that as well, it might help stretch lower doses but it can make a big dose very unpleasant for tens of hours.

[exploziv]

Originally Posted by moose eater

I put most of the brownies in the freezers in quart freezer bags, then into gallon freezer bags, to try and retain moisture (who likes a dry brownie???). I clearly labeled them as "Adults -ONLY- Brownies"... Just in case.. Avoiding any embarrassing explanations to local parents of my son's friends, should they one night raid my freezers.. Heaven forbid!!

Just read this and was thinking that if I found a bag of sweets that said adult only, it would have only made it more interesting to me as a kid. Hope your kids are better at resisting temptation than I was when I was younger.

[herbing]

Great share, Thank Yoooo..!!! Looking forward to trying it.

[moose eater]

Nah, as minors, our three kids (2 of them now adults) were fairly opposed to weed-related things. "If DAD does it, how could it possibly be cool??!!" added to the effects of the school system's propaganda and fear message, that left them (for a brief period) worried their father was teetering at the abyss of cannabis-induced death!


When it came to the security or sanctity of 'potentially hazardous' items, whether cannabis, Rx drugs, other vices, firearms, etc., it has always been my greater concern that their friends would get into something that left irreversible ripples in the proverbial waters.

So when they would have friends over, I would go out of my way to secure 'all things adventuresome, lethal, and/or potentially embarrassing.'

Originally Posted by exploziv

Just read this and was thinking that if I found a bag of sweets that said adult only, it would have only made it more interesting to me as a kid. Hope your kids are better at resisting temptation than I was when I was younger.

[coconutcurry]

Originally Posted by moose eater

I don't recall what total weight of butter I used ...

I think I used slightly less than about 1/4 of my total butter/ghee from the efforts the other day.

Oh my god... A 1/4 of 170 g trim cooked in butter is something which can bring you to the next infirmary.

Originally Posted by moose eater

Can't recall what else I did that night to alleviate pain and induce sleep. Maybe nothing. It's all a blur now.

What I -do- know is that when I woke up in the middle of the night, on at least 2 different occasions, I had to work -really- hard to stand up and find my balance.

Someone should've hidden me in the basement at that point, for at least a couple of days..

I made my way to the restroom like a newbie surfer, hunched over his board, trying to lower his center of gravity ever lower, to the point he's nearly walking on his knees.

In conclusion.. make smaller brownies, or use less butter. THAT WAS WAAAAAAAAAY TOO MUCH THC!!!!!

This sounds pretty bad. I will cite myself:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=287025&page=2

"But I will repeat my warning to be very careful, if you don't know the butter and your personal dosage. Start with very low amounts of maybe 2 gram and check what happens. Take more next day if you was bored and try to find the right dosage for you. Don't underestimate the effect of the cannabutter! Too much is no fun stuff. It should be clear that a scale with at least 1g units is a MUST. Otherwise it is russian roulette."

I think the problem is rather simple: The usual grower litters his fanleaves and his trim and he doesn't expect his trim and leaves are that fucking strong. All underestimate the butter. Everybody does first time. Thats the reason for all my warnings. Usually everybody is searching for the best strongest weed and want it strong strong strong. And if I tell everybody the butter is fucking strong, many people think this is the usual blabla, like I'm swaggering, but no, I try to avoid stories like yours. What happened to you is the reason most people don't eat cannabis.

I can tell you I would never eat any edibel I was offered from others. The space cakes in dutch coffeeshops for example. I would not eat your brownies, simply because I'm experienced enough to know, that it is highly unlikely that I will have a good buzz. It will be far to less or far too much and it will be no fun stuff.

You can't eat cannabis this way.

First: Eating is only for daily smokers with high THC tolerance. Occasional toker shouldn't do this at all. And they don't need, because they still can get stoned just by smoking some tokes of good weed.
It is different for long term daily smokers with high tolerance. I have problems with my lungs. I use hashish and weed for nearly 40 years and I stopped smoking tobacco long time ago and just vaporize and eat cannabis. This and then I smoke some tokes of hashish, but not often.
Maybe you can imagine I have problems to get high. I vaporize the whole evening. I just breath my Storz & Bickel bag for hours and I never get as high as I would like to be. My lungs don't give me the pleasure the cannabutter gives me. But, as you see, eating is not comparable to smoking.

You MUST use a scale. You MUST check out how strong the butter is. You have no clue how strong the stuff is you cooked, especially if you do this the first time. One or two gram of cannabutter can make a big difference. You MUST check out your individual right amount to feel well. And even if you know your dosage, it can be different depending on your daily form, what you ate, how you feel.

You was weak and felt bad. In moments like this the weed often works stronger. I don't know really why, but the same amount can be a bit more or less strong and if I'm exhausted the effect is stronger.

Use a scale, weight a little piece of your brownies and check out the effect and try more next time. By and by you will find your individual dosage. And then you will love your brownies.

But: Keep them away from kids!!!

Originally Posted by moose eater

See.. Despite my gray beard, and worn out body, I'm still young enough to learn stuff.

I have no beard but if I would let it grow, my beard would be as grey as my hair meanwhile is, as far as I still have hair.
And I still learn daily about cannabis and life. It seems learning never ends.

[coconutcurry]

Lets reckon a bit again:

Assuming your 170 g trim contains 4% THC. This means 170 / 100 * 4 = 6.8 g THC completely. You think you used a quarter. That would mean 6.8 g / 4 = 1.7 g (or 1700 mg)

1.7 g THC - not 1.7g Weed

Yes 1.7 g pure THC is a bit too much...

If people get Dronabinol or Sativex, as far as I know they get amounts of about 10 - 30 mg THC.

[coconutcurry]

Originally Posted by exploziv

For deep trips i take (at least) 20-30 gr of cannaghee made from 300 gr butter and 100 gr bud.

This is similar to what I use, but also I would consider this as a strong dosage, especially if made from buds, not trim or leaves. But this is within the framework I use the butter.

Originally Posted by exploziv

I had 1 bad trip as well when I mixed cannabutter (a dose equivalent to 20 gr bud) with some tea that had mango in it. Seems to make the effects at least 3-4 times more powerful. Tested this again by having mango and taking a dose equivalent of 5 gr bud that felt more powerful than a 20 g dose. So we need to be aware of that as well, it might help stretch lower doses but it can make a big dose very unpleasant for tens of hours.

I will check this out soon. Thank you for the hint. As far as I know Mango contains MAO inhibitors. Maybe there is a connection.

edit:
Its next day now and I'm not that stoned like yesterday evening and I reckoned again:

30g ghee of 300 g butter and 100 g buds means you eat 10g buds. Hmm... depends on the buds. If you cooked indoor top notch weed containing 25% THC - I would nobody recommend to eat that amount, because this means 2.5 gram pure THC. If it is weak outdoor weed its a nice trip. But I would not recommend to use more than 500 mg THC. Half a gram of pure THC will knock out most people, even if it is a strong smoker.

As you see the problem is that you don't know whats in your plants except you have a laboratory. You just can check this out carefully.