[JointOperation]

Originally Posted by Texan

Hello Pinkus, I hope you don't mind me sharing my opinions regarding your post.

When most people think of Cannabis potency, THC levels are obviously what is used as a standard measure. I think it is misleading to only judge a plants potency strictly on THC level.

I know from my own personal research that C. Ruderalis does in fact contain minute amounts of THC. Maybe 1-5% at best.

Also, let us not forget that THC is not the only Cannabanoid that determines the kind of high we get.

I had pure 100% THC injected straight into my blood stream though an IV once many years ago...long story, paid research....But let me tell you, I thought I was going psychotic. It is not a fun high and is absolutely terrifying without the other Cannabanoids (CBD/CBN/etc) present.

It is well known by now that CBD/CBN all have a direct influence on the kind of high/potency we achieve in conjunction with THC.

CBD can help with anxiety/paranoia/insomnia/pain managment/etc and it also helps you feel relaxed/calm compared to injecting pure THC or a pure Sativa variant (high THC/THC-A; low CBD/CBN).

CBN is semi-psychoactive with 10% of the stregnth of THC/helps reduce blood pressure/has anti-depressant properties/etc.

C. Ruderalis is know to have high amounts CBD/CBN which, IMHO, is a great way to get high when crossed with a high THC photo strain.

It, in my opinion, adds personality to the high. Some people want to get that racy/speedy high. Great, go smoke an African strain. Some people want a balanced high with proportionate amounts of a full Cannabanoid profile.

I dunno, I just took some huge hits off a gravity bong so my mind is all over the place.

agreed.. I had given 2 clones of the same strain different seeds.. to a friend wen he left to go back to Colorado.. he got back.. had them tested .. clone a was 17.5 thc. 1.1 cbd.. and at the time they weren't testing for terpenes.. clone b was 20 thc and 1.5cbd .. and clone A.. stunk like a bitch.. Clone B was frostier.. but not as stinky.. and Clone A had the better high of the 2..

that's when I stopped caring strictly about THC.. and started to give a shit about terpenes.. and other cannabinoids ..

its like.. look up wat the terpenes effects are without thc and cannibinoids.. and find what effect your looking for.. then find the strains that contain that .. and you will find strains that u like more then high thc strains for sure..

its all personal pref tho.. some like downer bud some upper.. some inbetween.. lol

[pinkus]

Originally Posted by Texan

In Nigeria, there is a landrace African IBL variety that will flower under 18 hours of light.

that's STILL not an autoflower/ruderalis. IMHO but your terminology seems to differ from mine

[agito]

We are talking like 18%+ thc autos dont exist in the market. There not going to need 100's of years of line breeding to get them there if anything stability is the issue. So your getting high thc in every plant.
Heres the lab test on 1 that came out about 5 years back
20.1%,
with 1.1 CBD, and 1.1 CBN
Tested By Micannalytics.com so is potency that still far fetched. There countless other ones with 3rd party tests in the high teens.

[sprinkl]

Originally Posted by JointOperation

me personally I spent over 800$ on auto seeds.. grew them all .. and made a few seeds with them.. but none yielded DICK.. but this was 2 years ago.. and I said to myself.. id rather find a fast flowering photo.. then a big yielding auto.. the auto game is great for breeders.. they sell wayyy more seeds to the same people over and over again once someone finds a auto they like.

May I ask which strains you tried? The super autos, which have the sativa stretch and length of preflower/flower period grow quite big and yield a lot.
Check out this thread: https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....258708&page=11

Lbh, a member here, breeds some massive auto hazes/asian sativas as well. I saw pics of auto's that were 3-4 m in height!

I can understand the idea that early photo's are just as good or better. But ever since growing my first auto's i realized, plants flowering during the hottest months of the year with the most light hours > plants that start flowering in the hottest month(july, august) and finish in some of the wettest, cloudiest and a lot colder months (september, october). The terpenoid content just has to be way bigger!

I've seen photo buds only once that were comparable to indoors, purple maroc, they finished the first week of september. I'm growing them now in big containers and no way they'll finish as early. Theres too much factors with photo plants, early genes arent stable or the plant has to be rootbound, running low on nitrogen etc..

Im(limited)e early photo breeding work hasnt been succesful enough. I have yet to try hfh and some other breeders though. A stable strain that consistently finishes the beginning of sept I hope to find one day...

[GonjaLove]

Its all personal preference...i would rather have a feminised seed thats not autoflower and give it like a week veg then flip it to 12/12. Also auto's require a long light cycle so unless your doing a whole room of auto's, i dont feel its worth it

[OGEvilgenius]

Originally Posted by agito

We are talking like 18%+ thc autos dont exist in the market. There not going to need 100's of years of line breeding to get them there if anything stability is the issue. So your getting high thc in every plant.
Heres the lab test on 1 that came out about 5 years back
20.1%,
with 1.1 CBD, and 1.1 CBN
Tested By Micannalytics.com so is potency that still far fetched. There countless other ones with 3rd party tests in the high teens.

And there are photoperiod strains in the high 20's and low 30's. And in my experience with Think Different, La Diva, Afghan Kush Ryder and Blue Mammoth they are pretty variable in terms of line stability.

[drgr33nuk]

I think autoflowering strains got a lot of stick because like anything in this industry everyones in a rush to get products to the shelves first and sometime (more than less) this results in a unfinished product being shoved down your throat that won't perform as well as they first anticipated.

Then they use the paying customer to beta test products and submit feedback until manufacturing quality / techniques improve and you get something usable. Trouble is this always end up in bad press and skeptical customers. I bet 99% of members have been caught by sales patter at least once

[944s2]

because simply,,,,,there the "devils work" lol,,,,s2

[pinkus]

Originally Posted by Texan

In Nigeria, there is a landrace African IBL variety that will flower under 18 hours of light.

Since Nigeria NEVER EVER EVER EVER sees an 18 hour night or light, how do you know this and how would it evolve? I'm calling bs.

[drgr33nuk]

Originally Posted by pinkus

Since Nigeria NEVER EVER EVER EVER sees an 18 hour night or light, how do you know this and how would it evolve? I'm calling bs.

Interesting link

https://en.**********.eu/strain-info/...ins/hybridmap/