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Cannabis bill in CO. Senate- Threat to familes.

Sóley

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Colorado has legalized marijuana, and attitudes about how to best address drug use issues are shifting nationally. In the midst of these reforms, it is perhaps unsurprising that traditional drug war proponents are pursuing alternatives to continue the prohibition of marijuana and other drug use, this time targeting families and drug-using parents.

Last week, legislation to define "drug-endangerment" of children was introduced in the state Senate by Democratic Sens. Andy Kerr and Linda Newell. Senate Bill 178 proposes utilizing social service agencies and child protective services as a guise to criminalize and stigmatize parents.

Current child abuse and neglect statutes already outline endangerment as resulting from any substance or situation. So the real question is why such a distinction is necessary at all. Not only is the proposed language overly broad, but it also will lead to unnecessary and harmful investigations into private homes without any concrete evidence of abuse or neglect — a clear overreach of state power.

Within the proposal, the mere attempted use or possession of illicit substances accompanied by the presumption of harm — not necessarily evidence of neglect — is grounds for a claim of endangerment. Considering exaggerated, inaccurate stereotypes about the harms of drugs, this definition will prompt potentially baseless, traumatizing family separations resulting in the removal of kids from families without actual evidence.

According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 82 percent of substance users in 2012 did not display signs of dependency or abuse of illicit substances. Even in cases where people might be classified as drug dependent or abusing, this does not necessarily equal neglect. People who use drugs are capable of being loving, caring and responsible parents. The state should base determinations of parental capability on indicators beyond substance use.

Typically, child abuse and neglect cases are handled in civil courts. Criminal action against parents is rare and reserved for only the most egregious cases. While these civil proceedings can be traumatizing for both children and parents, determinations of neglect have nothing to do with the legality or illegality of a situation. The Colorado proposal, however, makes amendments to both the civil "children's code" (Title 19) and to the criminal code (Title 18), creating a new vector for law enforcement to criminalize drug use and possession by linking social services and the criminal justice system.

From the perspective of health and social service providers, this proposal will create barriers for substance-using parents to access sensitive, non-judgmental treatment. Under the criminal child abuse statute, traditional doctor/patient confidentiality is not honored, a particularly harrowing prospect for drug-using parents who seek treatment. It also will broaden the mandatory obligation of professionals such as doctors, teachers and coaches to report child endangerment to child protective services, instigating unfounded investigations into homes.

And, as is the case with most drug-related enforcement efforts in America, it is likely there will be a disparate impact within communities of color and low-income communities.

I fully support and understand protections for child welfare, safety and health. I also recognize that the current civil code already provides such protections without stigmatizing, isolating, and criminalizing those who merely use or possess drugs, or cultivate legal marijuana within their home.

Many families have pain medications, alcohol, weapons/firearms, and other dangerous substances in their home out of necessity or choice. If the mere presence of these objects alone does not constitute child neglect or abuse, neither should the mere possession or use of illicit drugs. In short, it is time to start judging parents for their parenting rather than solely on whether or not they use substances.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_25494907/new-pot-bill-colorado-senate-is-threat-families


Hoping this has a very poor chance in passing. The struggle for legalization seems to get more & more difficult as time goes, I can't even imagine what they'll try next.
 

Jhhnn

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Colorado has legalized marijuana, and attitudes about how to best address drug use issues are shifting nationally. In the midst of these reforms, it is perhaps unsurprising that traditional drug war proponents are pursuing alternatives to continue the prohibition of marijuana and other drug use, this time targeting families and drug-using parents.

Last week, legislation to define "drug-endangerment" of children was introduced in the state Senate by Democratic Sens. Andy Kerr and Linda Newell. Senate Bill 178 proposes utilizing social service agencies and child protective services as a guise to criminalize and stigmatize parents.

Current child abuse and neglect statutes already outline endangerment as resulting from any substance or situation. So the real question is why such a distinction is necessary at all. Not only is the proposed language overly broad, but it also will lead to unnecessary and harmful investigations into private homes without any concrete evidence of abuse or neglect — a clear overreach of state power.

Within the proposal, the mere attempted use or possession of illicit substances accompanied by the presumption of harm — not necessarily evidence of neglect — is grounds for a claim of endangerment. Considering exaggerated, inaccurate stereotypes about the harms of drugs, this definition will prompt potentially baseless, traumatizing family separations resulting in the removal of kids from families without actual evidence.

According to the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, 82 percent of substance users in 2012 did not display signs of dependency or abuse of illicit substances. Even in cases where people might be classified as drug dependent or abusing, this does not necessarily equal neglect. People who use drugs are capable of being loving, caring and responsible parents. The state should base determinations of parental capability on indicators beyond substance use.

Typically, child abuse and neglect cases are handled in civil courts. Criminal action against parents is rare and reserved for only the most egregious cases. While these civil proceedings can be traumatizing for both children and parents, determinations of neglect have nothing to do with the legality or illegality of a situation. The Colorado proposal, however, makes amendments to both the civil "children's code" (Title 19) and to the criminal code (Title 18), creating a new vector for law enforcement to criminalize drug use and possession by linking social services and the criminal justice system.

From the perspective of health and social service providers, this proposal will create barriers for substance-using parents to access sensitive, non-judgmental treatment. Under the criminal child abuse statute, traditional doctor/patient confidentiality is not honored, a particularly harrowing prospect for drug-using parents who seek treatment. It also will broaden the mandatory obligation of professionals such as doctors, teachers and coaches to report child endangerment to child protective services, instigating unfounded investigations into homes.

And, as is the case with most drug-related enforcement efforts in America, it is likely there will be a disparate impact within communities of color and low-income communities.

I fully support and understand protections for child welfare, safety and health. I also recognize that the current civil code already provides such protections without stigmatizing, isolating, and criminalizing those who merely use or possess drugs, or cultivate legal marijuana within their home.

Many families have pain medications, alcohol, weapons/firearms, and other dangerous substances in their home out of necessity or choice. If the mere presence of these objects alone does not constitute child neglect or abuse, neither should the mere possession or use of illicit drugs. In short, it is time to start judging parents for their parenting rather than solely on whether or not they use substances.

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_25494907/new-pot-bill-colorado-senate-is-threat-families


Hoping this has a very poor chance in passing. The struggle for legalization seems to get more & more difficult as time goes, I can't even imagine what they'll try next.

Fired off an email to my State Senator, Irene Aguilar. Other CO residents should do the same with their own Senators.

This bill panders to irrational fear born of 75 years of propaganda. Prohibitionists are trying to regain lost ground, actually to open up new avenues of attack before the truth of legalization becomes plain for everybody to see. They'll try to keep it hidden if they can.
 

Jbomber79

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Veteran
Why can't we treat this responsible like alcohol? a liter of vodka in the freezer next to the oz of yerba.. kids stay out of both!
 

dddaver

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Veteran
Nothing like this could ever happen in CO of course ;P Yeah, right. I think this bill is an example of hysteria designed to create unwarranted fear and just another example of updated "Reefer Madness." They are really grasping at straws with that.
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CPS snatched infant because of legal medical marijuana prescription

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"Why are you doing this?" the mom cried as government agents coldly took away her family.
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NAPA, CA — A man was placed into handcuffs, a woman sobbed uncontrollably, and their 11-month-old boy was seized by social workers and put into foster care — all because of legally prescribed medical marijuana. It didn’t matter that no law had been broken; Child Protective Services has the power to split apart families in an instant without a trial, and regularly does across the country.

This heartbreaking situation happened to California couple Shawnee Anderson, 27, and Aaron Hillyer, 34. After a nosy neighbor called the police because of a loud argument, cops arrived and found doctor-prescribed cannabis — legal for medicinal use in a total of 20 states.

The couple tried to explain that the plant material was not a crime, and that the couple had state-issued Medical Marijuana ID Cards. But the cops “didn’t want to see them.” What’s more, they wanted to remove take their son, Sage, away from them. The police called for CPS to arrive at the scene.

“I was pleading with them, ‘Look, you guys, I understand your perception, but we are wonderful parents, hardworking members of our community,’” Hillyer told CNN. “They could not conceive of the fact that you can be a wonderful parent, a decent human being, and medicate with marijuana.”

“Why are you doing this?” Anderson tearfully asked the government agents as she watched her family being split apart before her eyes.

“Your baby doesn’t need to be subjected to marijuana,” an officer retorted, in a recording made on a cell phone. The fact that the house was messy, with an odor of cannabis, was enough for the government to break apart the family.

Aaron Hillyer was arrested and 11-month-old Sage was put into foster care. The family describes it as the hardest thing they could imagine — their baby was given away to strangers. They would not be reunited for 12 days.

The commonly-used cannabis plant is an easy target for child-snatching agencies — even if it is legal. The agency can deem virtually anything “abusive” or “neglectful” at their discretion. The targets of CPS are punished first, then attempt to prove their innocence later. The American tradition of treating people as if they are “innocent until proven guilty” is lost on CPS.

“There are families out there … destroyed over a medicinal plant,” said Hillyer to CNN. “It’s baffling.”

Baffling — yet the stories are numerous. Many decent families face harassment and separation because of the plant. Fellow California parents, Scott and Sara Rolick, had their daughter seized when the grandfather allegedly used cannabis as medicine. Sometimes just advocating for a political position on marijuana is enough to bring down a state investigation of a family — as the Petro family of Florida is discovering.

Many more of these tragic stories can be expected as long as CPS is allowed such broad powers and as long as the Drug War continues to devastate Americans.


My thanks to bentom187 for posting this in the Security forum.
 

Obsidian

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Veteran
I've been a patient in CO since 2003, the 17th person to get the mmj card in CO, and never in the CO mmj history were there as many kids being admitted to hospitals as there are now.
With the huge upswing in child related hospital admissions for kids high on ganja food it's no wonder the Democrats have done this, seriously, before the legalization of rec cannabis CO never had kids being admitted to the hospital for cannabis related ingestion, now it's quite a frequent happening here in CO.

They have been looking for reasons to put more controls in place, and they found one.

If the parents would keep their goods hidden or locked up, this wouldn't have ever happened.
It's not the mmj scene, but the full on recreational stoner attitude here in CO of "Who Cares"
The people just need to be a bit more responsible, and something like this would have never happened.
I'm completely against this, but now we suffer more legislation due to the shitty attitude of stupid stoners once more.
 

Jhhnn

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Veteran
I've been a patient in CO since 2003, the 17th person to get the mmj card in CO, and never in the CO mmj history were there as many kids being admitted to hospitals as there are now.
With the huge upswing in child related hospital admissions for kids high on ganja food it's no wonder the Democrats have done this, seriously, before the legalization of rec cannabis CO never had kids being admitted to the hospital for cannabis related ingestion, now it's quite a frequent happening here in CO.

They have been looking for reasons to put more controls in place, and they found one.

If the parents would keep their goods hidden or locked up, this wouldn't have ever happened.
It's not the mmj scene, but the full on recreational stoner attitude here in CO of "Who Cares"
The people just need to be a bit more responsible, and something like this would have never happened.
I'm completely against this, but now we suffer more legislation due to the shitty attitude of stupid stoners once more.

If you're going to make such claims, you need to back them up with actual numbers from reliable sources. How many kids have been hospitalized since Jan 1, 2014? Admissions prior to that cannot be attributed to Retail, since it didn't exist.

And why are they admitted to the hospital anyway, other than their parents' ignorance? Cannabis is non-lethal, even in massive doses.

I agree that cannabis, particularly edibles, needs to be kept away from children. OTOH, prior to 2014, child hospitalization occurred with MMJ or (rarely) black market product rather than retail. That being true, you need to swing your tar brush in that direction rather than towards rec users. My experience with med users is that they're not necessarily as special or noble as you paint them to be. Many are stoners who played the game to get what they wanted, regardless of any real or feigned medical need for the stuff. Getting a red card has been an exercise in gamesmanship for some while. If that's not obvious to you, you've probably been too stoned to pay attention.
 

MJPassion

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Stoners posing as patients...

If you have to lie to play the game...
Karma (the idea not the man, lol) will still bitch slap you.

Rec users are definitely NOT the problem.
Irresponsible users are!

Ya'll remember the old... A spoon full of sugar helps the medicine go down' song from Marry Poppins?

Maybe mixing meds w candy isn't a good idea.
Can you imagine adderall brownies?

Maybe medicine should be treated like medicine ratherbthan a social tool.
 

1TWISTEDTRUCKER

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Veteran
This is just ONE more grab at controlling the Populous, by The MAN.
All wrapped up in a blanket of propaganda from the early 20th century.


Peace; 1TT
 

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