[habeeb]

hi guys,

I crossed a plant to an autoflower, and the offspring are not showing any traits of autoflowering what so ever ??? the mom's were auto's, pollen from normal dad's..

they did show sex at 5 node, but it's been at least 20 days and there at the 13th node and nothing showing auto traits... 10 females I'm getting this info from..

anyone have any advice, anyone experience the same?? any tips / help would be great as I was just expecting half to flower half not to, and the ones to flower a little later then usual ( 2 weeks ) , but I was not expecting zip, zero auto trait...


Thanks

[Mitsuharu]

Hey,

Originally Posted by habeeb

... the mom's were auto's, pollen from normal dad's..

All i know is that you can cross any regular female strain with any regular male auto strain to get the autoflower properties.

I got this from an interview with the Breeder Nirvana Seeds in a grow mag. Maybe next year i am going to try this for myself...

[JointOperation]

u wont find autos in every seed.. usually one cross to an auto will cause maybe 20-25% to be auto.. of out ALL OF THE SEEDS... then u should pop seeds until finding the autos.. and use those to continue the project to create autos..

[Mitsuharu]

Originally Posted by Mitsuharu

...cross any regular female strain with any regular male auto strain to get the autoflower properties.

Buddy from Nirvana says: We've crossed a regular female with a regular auto male.
If you use the right male plant for that, you can make an automatic version of any strain... so its important to use a auto male.

[Only Ornamental]

From what I've read and seen, different types of autoflowering varieties exist (due to different origins of this trait).
For one, there's Finola (hemp) which is autoflowering at least under 18/6 (males 24/0) and this trait shows dominant inheritance.
Most other autos are recessive and according to Mendel the F1 offspring (first cross auto x normal) will result in normal flowering plants. The F2 will result in about 1/4 autos, 1/2 carrying the trait without showing and the rest is and will always be normal.
I've also heard about multigenetic traits which show an inheritance not following Mendel's rules. There you also have a lower chance of finding autos in the F1 than in the F2. These autos may simply be very early flowering plants. Notably, this very early flowering trait may sometimes behave unpredictable although it is often dominant in hemp.
Besides 'normal' autos also 'superautos' exist; I started a post in the auto-section but could not figure out much. Likely, these two traits are not on the same allele but that remains to be proven.
Last point, some 'autos' aren't really autoflowering or just some plants within the variety show truly flowering independent of day/night-length (like Mighty Mite).

[habeeb]

Originally Posted by Only Ornamental

From what I've read and seen, different types of autoflowering varieties exist (due to different origins of this trait).
For one, there's Finola (hemp) which is autoflowering at least under 18/6 (males 24/0) and this trait shows dominant inheritance.
Most other autos are recessive and according to Mendel the F1 offspring (first cross auto x normal) will result in normal flowering plants. The F2 will result in about 1/4 autos, 1/2 carrying the trait without showing and the rest is and will always be normal.
I've also heard about multigenetic traits which show an inheritance not following Mendel's rules. There you also have a lower chance of finding autos in the F1 than in the F2. These autos may simply be very early flowering plants. Notably, this very early flowering trait may sometimes behave unpredictable although it is often dominant in hemp.
Besides 'normal' autos also 'superautos' exist; I started a post in the auto-section but could not figure out much. Likely, these two traits are not on the same allele but that remains to be proven.
Last point, some 'autos' aren't really autoflowering or just some plants within the variety show truly flowering independent of day/night-length (like Mighty Mite).

ok. that might make sense.. I know of a white blackberry project where the white didn't show till a next generation..

looking into it more, I have seen this confirmed, the "made" seed lot will not auto at all, it will be in the "f2" line we start to see some of the traits come out.. I'm planning another hit of normal pollen to bring the percentage of the other non auto genes to 75%, so that should give me an even lower percentage of autos to pick from next round..


thanks again for the info.. thought I was going mad not seeing any autos at all... haha



thanks everyone

[harry74]

I´m just guessing, don´t know much about autos, but may be you need to find in your seedstock autoflowering plants, and cross down the line this ones.

I think you usually need at least 4 generation to have 100% auto plants.

The big problem is that you can´t keep plants as P1 stock and clone them.

I would germinate as much seeds as I could 20/4.
If you don´t see signs of flowering around week 3 (21/28 days)
take them away and germinate more.

, good luck with your projects.

[Mikenite69]

That is also what I have heard that if you use a non auto male on autoflowers 25% of the population would autoflower. I have crossed a regular male with a auto female and grew out 1 plant so far and it looks normal. Now I put this thing into flower and try to put it back into veg and this thing just kept wanting to flower.

I think you would have a better chance if you used a true auto male to make a auto strain like a lowryder or some actual true rudralis plant.

I am gonna try to do this also but you have to time it right or hope that the auto male dumps a lot of pollen that you can collect and save. Maybe I'll try to do a forum cut gsc auto or a Original Glue auto flowering version. Lol

[DropDropDrop]

You wont see autos in the first generation when crossing non-auto plant and auto. If you make seeds from the ones you now have you will see some percentage of autoplants. Auto gene is said to be recessive.

[Betterhaff]

Originally Posted by DropDropDrop

You wont see autos in the first generation when crossing non-auto plant and auto. If you make seeds from the ones you now have you will see some percentage of autoplants. Auto gene is said to be recessive.

You then cross the autoflowering plants from that generation, most of that progeny will be auto.