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03-03-2014, 12:43 AM
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Looking for Opinions from those that send test packs & those that sign up to test...
 There may be history here at the MAG prior to 2012 in respect to sending test packs out and signing up to test for those in need. Obviously there is and I have tried to look to history for learned lessons from both sender and receiver of test pack as I have chosen a path that (Ideally)allows me to continue learning while still moving forward with each set of seeds created. While using my available space to further my education/experiment & gain 1st hand experiences. I also am able to build gene pools with specific tools for later work. A tool being- Medical,Flavor,Yield,Head,vigo r and so on... In order to find which cross/hybrid holds which tool best suited for the task at hand. I find the need to ask for the communities help(testers) with growing out each set of new flavors in order find how it might fit in a puzzle to come later. What I could not find in the history of this subject was a "golden age"... A time where Both sender and receiver were involved/interacting and progressing together... A time were if sent,you knew it would be grown. Where both tester and sender felt they had achieved a win/win situation. Success here and there will many fails between. Why is that ? I have been at the MAG since 2012 and for me personally. I chose to form my opinions based on what I see from the time I start looking and not dwell on those issue prior to my involvement. From what I have observed over these last couple years. (Simple one man's perspective) The idea of sending and receiving tester packs is fading away, soon not to be even an option... Maybe im wrong,but what if im not ? From comments in different threads from different members pertaining to this subject there seems to be a lack of trust,understanding,involvemen t & motivation on both sides... Since 2004 ICmag has attracted some of the best growers & breeders in the world to it's forum. Allowed there to be a place where like minded newbies could pick the brains of well seasoned grower's and do so in an environment where if your miss stepping. There will always be someone that will let you know. (In a Productive manner is another story)  Point being.... If they (Being the members of past) made this community what it is today in only 10 years. Imagine what we (Being members of today) can do over the next 10 years... I chose to believe that this community has evolved to a point where it/we can create that, which is not known this day... We are living in a time of change... We as in the world... Every generation has and every generation to come, will... What will our generation be remembered for ? We've lived through the introduction of the computer-the .com economical explosion/collapse/equilibrium and now find ourselves with regained freedoms with respect to the one thing we all have in common... This wonderful plant called marijuana.... Freedoms that have been stolen for many generations.... Though we still have a long way to go,we are headed forward... I have a dream,damn it! A Micro-Breeder market... Where the little guy with no real money,way to much time on his/her hands and a passion can create quality seeds as well as memories that last... Both for themselves and those will that enjoy the finished seed... If he/she is willing to put forth the effort/time/commitment to get educated daily and never simple settle. Always looking to improve/refine/expand/create--Flavors/highs/yields/Medically The only way I can see doing this-- Establish a Micro-Breeder market Is to take the big $ out of the equation... I mean... Do you really have to be rich to have talent in the arts ? How does one grow 1200 plants for 1 keeper on welfare ? Even if you find a way.. That's 6 months it took to find that 1 keeper. Now you need to grow it out and find the prized gem.6 months to a year then find the male.time x time.... When does welfare run out and life crush you... Right before sending in the 1st set of seeds that could recoup cost for you... No bueno.... I think the world is a better place Having more than just Coors (and the like) as a beer beverage choice. Just as with beer,there was some person out there not satisfied with the lack of choice and started forging their own path... While doing this they came across a path to the market and a shared desire from the market place,others soon followed and we now have a huge Micro-brewery market to chose from... Im not satisfied with the Marlboro(And like) marijuana/Medication available to me and mine... I want more and damn it... With a little help from the Village so will others to come... I believe.... If we as a community put our heads together we can create a system (Using whats already available)-(Icmag forum + Seedbay site) Where a person -be they rich or poor- Has a passion is willing to put forth the effort-seek continued education-support others and have a good time doing it... Can begin a journey and find the support needed to continue.... Support being- Time/energy/financial Seedbay can not simply send tester packs with no charge and no way to recoup cost let alone make a profit and continue moving forward,let alone exist... Either those sending packs need to be able to sell tested seeds or I would imagine seedbay would need to charge both sender and tester for the service provided... Leading back to only the rich need apply or worse. Tester packs not offered at all... Not economically viable.... When you buy a pack of seeds from seedbay. You support much more than simply a seed company... You support a way of life... Both for seedbay and those they have provided this rare opportunity to... Breeders and Students alike... Icmag jumps in and allows us to use their foundation to build upon. Community Rocks... It take's a village... In my opinion... Breeders/Students of the arts- Need to apply in-order to send out tester packs... Not in the sense of being approved. Rather in having to meet a set of requirements... A set of required information... History of seed-What is being looked for-what is already known. Things such as that perhaps.. Im looking for opinions on what people would like from a person wanting to send in seeds to be tested... Testers need to be held accountable by the community and rewarded for the effort given... A system where those that contribute to the cause they have chosen to support can be easily identified and sought after... There by encouraging other to follow their lead and move their community forward one test at a time.... Im looking for what breeders/Students of the art, want from testers. Then again... It's only a dream... Perhaps it will simple fade away and I will once again wake up to another Marlboro joint... What's your opinion on the testing/tester subject ? . Last edited by DamnUglyDogE; 03-06-2014 at 10:09 AM.. Reason: typos...Doh... |
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03-03-2014, 12:31 PM
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OGJoe
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Huh? Where the hell is this place? Sure it mean 12.50€ per? :-D
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03-03-2014, 08:12 PM
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03-03-2014, 08:46 PM
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To make things work I think the breeder has to be able to establish themselves and be prepared to have many testers not come through for them. But once a few runs have been done, the breeder will have a handful of reliable testers if the genetics are solid.
Another route that can be taken is giving away free stuff to testers that complete their grow reports. Connoisseur genetics gave away 2 free packs for completed reports, 2 free packs for using any pictures and 5 free packs to the tester with the best thread. This worked out very well for ojd but I'm sure it wasn't cheap for him. And he still had lots of testers pull no shows. But thats reality. Many breeders can be shady (im definitely not talking about you AD or ojd) so its no surprise that growers can be shady too. So if a tester is signing up out of greed and just wanting the seeds then maybe the promise of more will make them see how completing the grow report allows them to gain more, fulfilling their greedy nature lol. And also a thing that I should mention is involvement. And you Alien Dawg have the right attitude, you care and it shows. You're definitely doing the right thing and I hope karma follows suit. |
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03-03-2014, 10:14 PM
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Sad thing you can never rely on the good in everybody, less and less the bigger a community grows. So a "system" has to be employed that makes sure everyone behaves correctly and it can somehow be secured both sides get what they're after no matter what individual intentions might be...
Also breeding in illegality is a problem
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03-05-2014, 08:08 PM
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Whatever happen to your word is your bond? If an individual volunteers to test then they should have a history of grows or explain that they have never completed a grow log and let the breeder decide. There will always be those that want free seeds ( and who doesn't), however we in this community should have a minimum level of character that includes not screwing each other over some seeds. Remember, maybe not today or tomorrow Karma will eventually visit you! Just my .02.
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03-06-2014, 12:02 AM
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Seems to lead to Bias opinions... If I real,real want the gift. Am I going to share the hard truth ? I dont know... Something to think about.. Thanks... Thanks for the props as well... I do care as do so many members here at the MAG... I find that I care about what happens to a tester that puts obvious passion in his/her work.. If I waste their time and effort with either inferior genetics or lack of involvement in their work. Then Im not only wasting their time,but mine own and that of the community at large. This person need not have tested for me, to have gained my respect. Simply looking through the many shows that applied for my test packs,gave me a good feel for what a grower is about. It's simple for me to place myself in the testers shoes as I am a tester as well... lol If I expect to receive a pack and it never shows. I would fell better if the breeder cared that I lost out. Wouldn't we all ? I mean.. Caring is free last time I looked... Even with the postal system being out of my control,I would still be bummed for the tester. Same goes for a all seeds failing to grow for one tester out of a set of testers... This is why I send more than one set of each flavor. If 4 sets are sent and one fails to grow,the others 3 set show it was most likely user error,where as if all fail to grow then its genetics or breeder/S.O.T.A. error. Either way im going to be bummed for either 1 tester missing out on the payoff(Dank smoke grown) as well as the good time's had getting there not to mention the other members met along the way... Or... Bummed for wasting the time of all 4 testers-seedbay-ICmag-Fellow members and finally myself.. Wowies me... Let's not go there... Tasty food for thought... 
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03-06-2014, 12:20 AM
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30 days before seeds are sent... Also a reason I don't send 10 seeds in every tester pack.. Sad really... But for me logic dictates the less you give,the fewer thieves are willing to put the time in to get them. In an ideal world... A tester pack would be determined between each testers available time and space and have from 6 to 99 seeds per pack. Over 10 being very rare, 10 being the most common amount... In a perfect world... 
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03-06-2014, 08:47 AM
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6 is good for testing purposes. 10 would be better. if they're good seeds the leftover is the gift. i personally only run an odd number or more than 4 at a time. it plans for losing half to males and also lets you see possible phenos and if they breed true. if you pop 6 seeds and expect 3 to be male then you should theoretically end up with 3 females with possibly 3 diff phenos. if you get 4-6 girls you should see no more than 4 phenos ideally. if you only pop 3, at least one should be a girl and the odds of it being a shitty plant are either very low or the number of shitty plants in the pool is too high and the strain needs to be worked some more.
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03-06-2014, 09:40 AM
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I'm one of these Growers who don't grow all the Seeds instantly when i got'em. Mostly i will pop the half and run the other half if the first one missed or failed.
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