[stihgnobevoli]

i see ya'll arguin and imma let you finish.

i'm not here to get in the middle, but i am one of those testers you mention and i would like a chance to speak.

i knew full well going in that he had some experiments he wanted conducted on his seeds. i knew from the beginning what this was about because he explained it to me. had some mexican seeds dunno where he got em, doesn't really matter, they mostly come from bagseed. i have an awesome collection myself and have grown a few.

i wanted to test untested seeds as did the rest of us since we all knew these were untested f1.

i was pleased with what popped out of 6 random seeds. 3 haze 3 pure sats. of the 3 haze i found 3 uniqe specimens similar structure, vastly different expression, nice smells. on the 3 sativa's it was i think one male i trashed as i didn't want any males then. 2 girls both pretty decent for sativa's not too terribly wild. but they were very finnicky. of the remaining 5 plants i wanted to keep 2 initially. 1 of the sativa and one of the haze, but instead i decided to run 2 of the hazes again, dropped the initial selection and after running again i think i'm gonna keep another one all together.

the point i initially intended to make before i got lost was that, we went into this knowing exactly what was going on, maybe some of us might not have. i have grown sativa before they are really finicky the more pure in expression the more sensitive they tend to be.

my plants have ended up like the ones 190 didn't like in this thread before. like i said pure sats are a real bitch. they don't like too much of anything it's a really fine line in order to get them to perform right.

i wouldn't discount DUDE, i would only discount yourselves. this is not to throw shade at anyone, just make people aware that they maybe have never grown a pure sativa before and are expecting the wrong results. real sativa's are very airy and stringy. if you are growing what you think is a pure sat and you see it's forming a lot of bud clusters and foxtais. it's because it's got too much food. lotta leaves on sativa let you know right off you're doing something wrong.

not a lecture, just awareness. i've grown a lot of sativa, this is what they look like. the more pure the more space in between buds, the most pure look like calyxes on a stick.

i've read DUDE's thread, a couple of them. why you are dissing the man saying he only has one cfl grown under his belt is very rude to say the least. i guess people on this forum just like to diss. i've seen his grows he has grown a lot and he seems to understand what's going on.

certainly seems to have enough space to make selections.

one final word on selections.

i think you guys place far too much importance on it as far as weed is concerned. i'm sure someone much smarter like chimera or tom has spoken on it before also. maybe not exactly what i'm writing. but there are a number of gene pairs that go into making a cannabis(i heard over 130 identified so far). lets say we select from 130 plants. 130 males/130females assuming each of those is a unique combination of those 130 gene pairs and we take the 2 best and combine them .

whats the result going to be? anything out of 130x130^2 possible combinations. the genes effecting overall looks might be down to a handful. but unless we're breeding for looks. choosing/ selection is kinda pointless.

it's all random at the end of the day. seeJshort
he's been selecting for years. what do you get in a pack ? randomness.

depends on what you're selecting for really, and there's only so much you can select for consistently.

i've had as much success making random selections based on looks out of small lot, as you would selecting out of 1000 plants. the only thing larger numbers will do is possibly helkp you find POSSIBLE matches to fix traits.

grow 10 seeds find one short purple with pink flowers. lets say this plant is male. in order to find a female that might reliably produce short purple pink flower plants you could pop 1000 more. but you might not find that female. on the other hand you could cross that to any female of the lot and possibly produce offspring 90% with what you're looking for.

we aren't on a microscopic level with weed yet and all these selections people do are mostly random no matter how many plants we select from. the fact that we don't know whats inside the plant makes this true.

it's just like the SETI project. throwing blindly hoping for a hit.

anyway continue your back and forth dissing.

i have no dog in this fight, and i've gotten disses about my growns from some of you guys so you can feel free to roll me up in this if you like, i did give you an opening, but i'm used to it so i won't really care.

whether you guys wanna admit it or not everytime you buy a seed it's a dice roll. some people just have a preference for one dice roller over the other and will defend said dice roller till the end.

i've seen guys who will literally shit on anything stick up for a run full of hermies simply because it was an early pack. but the breeder is all good and also the best ever. it's always the best breeders despite hermies i've noticed.

[Infinitesimal]

you and dude are two peas in a pod... I understand bonghits you do your things your way... fine... I got no hate, but that doesn't mean it is the correct way to do things.

there is a huge huge huge huge huge huge huge huge huge huge difference between untested seed stock coming from known verifiable parents... and seed stock made using a herm male of unknown origin then lie and say it is Golden Mexican Sativa = (oaxaca x pakistani x Durban Poison) which it was not.

I am now stupider for having read that, thanks

I am not even going to address specific inaccuracies, your understanding of cannabis, general plant science and genetics is soooo lacking that trying to have an intelligent discussion on the subject is futile.

please don't use Tom's and Chimera's names to try and lend credibility to the non sense you just typed, you don't know either of them and you definitely don't understand what they are about, I don't think they would appreciate it and they would not agree with anything you said... none of it is true.

and thank you bonghits I will start discounting myself from now on.... because you say and because you ASSume I don't grow pure Sativas. (if only you knew,anything)

SMH you are a rock star man

[stihgnobevoli]

don't tell me what anyone said that was or wasn't what i referenced. i was there you obviously weren't. there's a big ass thread around here about reading with hermies that they dropped by long time ago. peruse if you like.


anyway whether or not you agree a lot of the top strains started as bagseed since that was the only way to get those genes. from overseas or otherwise.

you can make a strain from any random 2 seeds you want provided one is male and one is female. these are facts. it might not be the best strain or something you like. doesn't change the fact that i can take 2 bagseed crosss em, inbreed backcross etc. and end up with a stable line(s)

read the history of some of these companies. that's EXACTLY how it fucking started.

if you have issue with him stating he got the seeds from one place and changing the story...whatever. thats on you. but don't come in here shit talking all over the place when you obviously don't understand what you're saying about breeding things.

130(random number) possible combinations of gened to produce 1 specific set of traits some guy fell in love with. you can try till forever. you'll most likely never find that same mom again. all you'll ever get is close. hence why you guys buy multiple packs trying to find something like the picture on the package. even the breeders will tell you that if you stopped ball sniffing long enough to read and understand all the shit they say in these threads.

[unregistered190]

Asking Mod to close thread as grow journal is over. Thanks Everyone for looking and participating