MMAR extension?

that would be a good question for a lawyer. Like kirk.
I believe G/S/N is in BC supreme court.
http://www2.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=9526825

Wow, none of you get it, do you? The Government is starting up a giant weed export industry for when the US finally legalizes (and Canada probably does, too) All this 'medical' stuff is just how they are justifying it for the time being.

Plus, look at where half the LP's are. They're positioned in Southern Ontario/Quebec, for export to the US Eastern Seaboard. The other half on the West Coast. Sure, that's where the Canadian population centers are, except this is a mail order business. That means it would make more sense to set up shop in the places with the cheapest real estate and labour, and that's not Southern Ontario Southern BC. Why not all set up shop in Manitoba, or Saskatoon like Cannimed? It's a lot cheaper there. But it makes perfect sense if they want to be shipping their weed to the States, because it puts them as close as possible to their main customer base.

In the US, there is still no Federal legal infrastructure to allow the size of grows Canada is establishing. The only truly big one in the States is Harbourside, and it was busted a few years back (but is still operating). Most the grows in Colorado and Washington are relatively small, as dictated by the laws in those states. But in Canada, there's no limits, there's Federal rules so banking isn't an issue like in the States. Investors look at Canada and see they can prepare for US legalization in the next 2-5 years by setting up in Canada under the guise of 'medical'. They can spend millions in losses for the next few years until that happens.

So they (LP's, government) will use the next year, maybe two getting their acts together, figuring out what works, testing the system out on Canadian patients willing to jump through the hoops, but the big picture is the US market, and the likely Canadian recreational market. So the companies like Tweed or Tilray with deep pockets will likely weather the storm. They don't need to make a profit this year at all. Or next. Because if and when they can start selling recreational and exporting, they will be well in the black.

That's what this is all about, people. Catering to America, under the guise of helping Canadians sick. Just like Americans look to Canada for cheap, generic meds, they'll look to Canada for cheap, generic (T)weed.

(Plus, because the MMPR rules are so ridiculously strict, the government can control who they even approve, for numerous 'technicalities'. I think it's interesting they shut down GreenLeaf, but don't explain much beyond a QA issue. Who's to say they didn't just make up some shit because they didn't want them competing with Tilray and Tweed?)

Good posts on this page!

j0yr1d3 said:

We aren't going to see any small LPs with affordable pricing anytime soon. Why would Harper/HC/Our Nazi Drug Overlords want that? If they are set to make 13% tax or whatever the hell it is they are going to want as high of prices as possible. 13% tax on something that cost 10 dollars as opposed to something that cost a dollar is a big difference. They thought they were going to have a captive market to bleed dry with their complete experimental "medical model". Even if we do start seeing affordable LPs I bet we'll magically see an increase in the tax as well. This whole system is nothing but the corporatization of cannabis, profits and tax revenue, not care and compassion. If we see full legalization we'll see it taxed as much as cigarettes now, price for consumer = half taxes.

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I sometimes wonder if my operating as a non-profit has repercussions on my application, as the gst I am required to collect on sales stays in my organization and does not make it to feds.

Pangea said:

Good posts on this page!



I sometimes wonder if my operating as a non-profit has repercussions on my application, as the gst I am required to collect on sales stays in my organization and does not make it to feds.

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I would be wondering more if my business model and sell price has repercussions. How much influence do the others have with HC? I'm not trying to sound like an asshole Chad, I would love you to succeed. I just keep wondering about those big boys, and how do they perceive you? Then again, there's some things we simply don't have control over...
GST I think is the smaller issue.

No worries, like I said its just something I wonder about sometimes. I dont actually think it to be reality, and like you say, no control over that stuff anyway. I wont lose an iota of sleep over the MMPR.

Thanks again for your well wishes!

Hey Pangea, how do you intend on bringing your genetics from the MMAR over to the MMPR? HC is requiring a paper trail of where you acquired your legal source of starting material. I noticed your strains available on your site, is that going to be realistic?

GG.

Do you have copies of my stuff to give me too!?

I have a legal source who is holding all my genetics for me to transfer once I am legal.

Pangea said:

Do you have copies of my stuff to give me too!?

I have a legal source who is holding all my genetics for me to transfer once I am legal.

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Lol. Good one, I was just playing with MM, trying to bring him back to reality. There isn't a chance in hell I'm sharing....lol

I'm glad to hear you have done your due dilligance and protected your assets, smart....

I think your onto something special with your brothers/family, I truly wish you the best of luck in your endevors, I'm very curious into how this all turns out for you. Respect.

GG.

Thanks, we appreciate it!

Good luck to you and yours as well. Set the bar high!

Buddha1 said:

What are the differences between "Allard" and "Garber/Sproule/Newmarch"?

Is "Garber/Sproule/Newmarch" the case for the larger gram limits Conroy was talking about? The patients that Conroy Stated were essentially house bound with the set 150 gram travel limit of the Injunction because that was there doctor ordered daily limit.

Please clarify...Thank You.

Peace...B

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vapor said:

that would be a good question for a lawyer. Like kirk.
I believe G/S/N is in BC supreme court.
http://www2.canada.com/topics/bodyandhealth/story.html?id=9526825

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Thank you for the link.

The article was clear as to who they are, and the direction there court case is headed. You are correct, G/S/N is in the B.C. Supreme Court according to the article, where as Allard is in the Canadian Federal court.

I wonder what the effect would be by a "Garber/Sproule/Newmarch", legal prescient and how it would effect the Medical MJ issue in Canada.

As it has been stated before...Interesting times ahead.

Peace...B

If Allard loses and G/S/N goes ahead after and wins, well. We might see legal grows in BC kinda and not the rest of canada, like the way BC is the only ones to legal extraction/edibles{Owen smith}.....Interesting times....

vapor said:

If Allard loses and G/S/N goes ahead after and wins, well. We might see legal grows in BC kinda and not the rest of canada, like the way BC is the only ones to legal extraction/edibles{Owen smith}.....Interesting times....

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I'm sure Allard will win most of its arguments...But, you never know.

That would be an Interesting situation...A Province in control of one of its own social programs.

I am a supporter of the provinces governing themselves...entirely. Without a central federal governments interferences. Provinces should keep all there tax dollars and all other revenues, absolutely decide whats best for themselves(Needs and interests change, province to province). Giving the federals a small percentage of there revenues, enough to keep them financed and they deal with world/international issues...only!.

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But lets stop that discussion now. The provinces being self sufficient is a thread all its own and hijacking another thread is a real shitty thing to do.

Peace...B

KirkTousaw ‏@KirkTousaw

Crown stay application in BCSC MMAR/MMPR cases that I'm litigating has been denied. Onward we go.

vapor said:

KirkTousaw ‏@KirkTousaw

Crown stay application in BCSC MMAR/MMPR cases that I'm litigating has been denied. Onward we go.

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Could you expand on this please and thank you.

Peace...B

means we are still legal.....with a docs sig

I recently heard about a BC supreme court case that was challenging the prohibitions. Basically as the law was written it specified "cannabis;indica" so they are saying cannabis;sativa should be void from prohibition or something to that effect was their defense.
Is that these cases or a different case? Or is this even a real case thats going on and somebody was just bullshitting me?

Buddha1 said:

Thank you for the link.

The article was clear as to who they are, and the direction there court case is headed. You are correct, G/S/N is in the B.C. Supreme Court according to the article, where as Allard is in the Canadian Federal court.

I wonder what the effect would be by a "Garber/Sproule/Newmarch", legal prescient and how it would effect the Medical MJ issue in Canada.

As it has been stated before...Interesting times ahead.

Peace...B

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more info

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2014/05/13/medical-marijuana-lawsuits-canada_n_5319237.html?ir=Canada




VANCOUVER - The lawsuits challenging Ottawa's attempted overhaul of the medical marijuana system continue to pile up, meaning the government will be forced to defend the new regulations in multiple courts as patients across the country claim they have a charter right to grow their own pot.

Hundreds of people have filed lawsuits in recent months in various courts, arguing new regulations that took effect in April restricting marijuana production to licensed commercial growers are unconstitutional.

Most of those cases have been delayed until the results of an ongoing Federal Court case, expected to be heard in February of next year, challenging the new regime. The judge in that case issued an injunction allowing many patients to continue growing at home in the meantime.

But three patients in B.C. say their circumstances are too different to simply wait for the existing Federal Court case to play out. Even the injunction in the earlier case, they say, doesn't go far enough to meet their medical marijuana needs.

A B.C. Supreme Court judge has ruled the men's legal action can continue, even as the Federal Court hears similar arguments. The federal government had asked for the cases to be delayed.

"The plaintiffs are alleging that the medical marijuana laws interfere with their charter rights in a way that is deeply personal and which has grave impacts on their health," Judge Susan Griffin wrote in a decision posted to the court's website Tuesday.

Griffin said it would be "unjust" to make the three men wait for the Federal Court case, which involves different plaintiffs and a different set of facts.

In the Federal Court case, a group of patients are alleging the updated regulations prevent them from adequately accessing medicine they need, because pot prices were expected to be higher under the new system and patients won't be able to control the strains they consume.

A judge issued an injunction in March that said patients who were previously licensed to grow or possess marijuana under the old rules could continue to do so, though the judge said they could only possess dried marijuana and only 150 grams at a time. Both of those restrictions are contained in the new rules.

The federal government is appealing the injunction.

The B.C. Supreme Court case involves Kevin Garber, Philip Newmarch and Timothy Sproule, who all use marijuana to treat a variety of medical ailments.

Garber, who is also asthmatic, consumes marijuana tea, while Newmarch and Garber also say they prefer to consume marijuana in non-dried forms, such oils or resin.

Their lawsuits argue limiting patients to dried marijuana means they cannot consume it in the way that works best for them.

They also say the 150-gram possession limit means they cannot travel far from home without risking running out of their medical marijuana. They plan to argue the limit infringes on their mobility rights under the charter.

Their lawyer Kirk Tousaw, said he'll be asking for a temporary injunction to exempt his clients from the new rules until their cases are heard, which isn't likely to happen until some time next year.

"If a trial is a year or a year and a half down the line, all that time my clients are suffering, and that's not right," Tousaw said in an interview.

Last week, a Federal Court judge released a decision that affected more than 200 self-represented plaintiffs, many of whom filed statements of claim using a legal kit they downloaded from the Internet.

The judge put those cases on hold until after the existing case is finished, though patients who aren't covered by the earlier injunction will be permitted to ask for their own injunctions.

this is awesome!

i am glad more people are stranding to stand up....this is the wave that need to shift the tides

med-man