[aus2canibasiva]

Oh on the contrary Shaggy it seems to be ok, thanks for caring tho, I know Omera1 I went way! overboard, hey Shaggy funnily enough I took a preemptive strike and used 100 ppm of 6-BAP & seemed to induce 1 week head start on bud set which is great & cut down the stretch a tad, using 100 ppm iv'e heard helps with bud mass & iv'e also read somewhere that 1000 ppm will stop all stretch "hormonal pruning" I believe the guy called it.
Has anyone had success with smaller ppm's of 6-BAP to stop the stretching say 500 ppm, I just ask this because there was more hearsay on Cannabis being more sensitive to 6-BAP.
So far iv'e noticed one curled leaf that's it, so clear sailing ahead so far let's keep our fingers crossed.

PICTURES.

The one & only mutation is on my Bodhi Seeds Lucky Charms.



Thew rest of the pictures is to show the healthiness of my garden since incorporating PGS's and plant hormones. I love them! & it's pages like this that got me into them so I greatly appreciate it.







Peace.

[aus2canibasiva]

Originally Posted by shaggyballs

But remember omera the amount is strain dependent!!
Stretchy strains need less.

Seems legit since my Killa-Watt from Seedism is known to stretch & sure enough it has stretched the most but im not sure if this is considered normal stretch for this strain since it's my first time trying out Killa-Watt, just a bit of observational data, i'll keep a keen eye out.
another note my shortest bushy Scott's OG doesn't look like it has stretched more than usual, nothing out of character except for very healthy plants. So i'm not sure what to make of it just yet more experimenting is needed.

Peace.

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by aus2canibasiva

Oh on the contrary Shaggy it seems to be ok, thanks for caring tho, I know Omera1 I went way! overboard, hey Shaggy funnily enough I took a preemptive strike and used 100 ppm of 6-BAP & seemed to induce 1 week head start on bud set which is great & cut down the stretch a tad, using 100 ppm iv'e heard helps with bud mass & iv'e also read somewhere that 1000 ppm will stop all stretch "hormonal pruning" I believe the guy called it.
Has anyone had success with smaller ppm's of 6-BAP to stop the stretching say 500 ppm, I just ask this because there was more hearsay on Cannabis being more sensitive to 6-BAP.
So far iv'e noticed one curled leaf that's it, so clear sailing ahead so far let's keep our fingers crossed.

The one & only mutation is on my Bodhi Seeds Lucky Charms.

Thew rest of the pictures is to show the healthiness of my garden since incorporating PGS's and plant hormones. I love them! & it's pages like this that got me into them so I greatly appreciate it.

Peace.

When did you apply the BRASS???
What week?
How long after that did you apply the BAP??
Where their any other additives involved VIA root or previous sprays??

[aus2canibasiva]

Hey there.

My plants were started on the 23rd of Oct
I applied the Brassinolide on the 14th Feb then the 6-BAP along with fulvic acid & I tried a new substance called Atonik, this was all applied 2 weeks later on the 28th it is now the 4th of March & bud set has increased in vigor compared to previous years.

Here is a link to where I bought the Atonik as it has some more info:
https://massspectrumbotanicals.com/shop/atonik/

It should be noted that i used Kelpak a product that is known for a high ratio of Auxin the species for that is Ecklonia Maxima for veg to increase the chance of female plants & to increase root mass then once flowering started I switched it up to a high Cytokinin kelp product the species Ascophyllum Nodosum. Also a product called Harpin Alpha Beta Protein HALO was used on Jan 24th to increase size since I mainlined my babies and wanted an extra push of growth to compensate for the loss of height due to the aforementioned technique.


I don't know if this will make it easier but i have a rough note pad document i keep that has help me to gather info, there is undoubtedly some info that is wrong ppm ratios conversions that aren't all there lol, also I haven't gotten around to using the Chitosan Oligosaccharide, GA-3 witch i don't think i'll use since every report that iv'e read seems to indicate that it needs to be used in such micro amounts that I don't have to tools to dose out something that small like a micro pipette.
.............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. ........................
Here it is.
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Kelpak Auxin (IAA): 1st January then every 14 days until flower. Switch to Nutri-Kelp Powder - Ascophyllum nodosum Cytokinin until 2 weeks before harvest.

Triacontanol: Use as foliar spray at 0.125ml per 1.5 liter's of water every 6th day in veg & every 3rd day in flower until harvest, safe on food crops until harvest.



6th of January then every 14 days for plant hormones.



(Semi-Synthetic Cytokinin) Kinetin (6-Furfurylaminopurine): Active in the 1-10 PPM 0.8 PPM kinetin range. Best suited to be used on seedlings & younger plants during the first month of vegetative growth, where 6-Benzylaminopurine is better suited for applications during later stages of growth and flowering / fruiting.
May interfere with femaleness in diecious plants?
NEW.

Kelpak Auxin (IAA): 6th January then every 14 days until flower. Switch to Nutri-Kelp Powder - Ascophyllum nodosum Cytokinin until 2 weeks before harvest.

Brassinolide (BL): use in veg only. add 0.2 grams to 2 litre's of water, achieving a .03 ppm solution. Spray every 3 weeks until flowering starts.
Works with Auxin (IAA).
NEW.

Harpin Alpha Beta Protein (Halo): Mix HALO in water at a dilution rate of 10ml per liter of tap water and apply with a sprayer. A HALO 2.5g soluble sachet will give maximum benefit when mixed with 500 ml of water. Mixed in 1 liter of water it will be less concentrated but still offer great results. In general apply at the start of flower & every 2 weeks through flower and once during the last week. Apply twice in veg in dilute amounts.
Harpin protein stimulates Jasmonic acid. Activates SAR (systemic acquired resistance) in plants. Edible crops can be sprayed right up to the day of harvest.
Synergism with Chitosan & (Salicylic Acid, Not needed).
NEW.

Chitosan Oligosaccharide: used as foliar spray at 100 ppm in flower from week 2 through to week 4.
1 Gram goes very far, 3 years potentially, use in homeopathic doses.
Like Methyl Jasmonate but weaker in producing SAR effect & less terpene stimulation.
NEW.

(Synthetic Cytokinin) 6-Benzylaminopurine (6-BAP): Used as a foliar Spray. 0.1g-0.3g to 1 litre of water to achieve 100-300 PPM. Use at week 2 to end of week 4 of flowering along side Nutri-Kelp Powder - Ascophyllum nodosum Cytokinin.
6-BAP will stop all natural upward growth & concentrate on flowering when used in doses of 300 PPM or greater. Use 150 PPM until the end of week 4 to avoid loss of upward growth, at the end of week 4 use 300 PPM to fully utilize 6-BAP.
Can be used with Methyl Jasmonate (MeJa)
NEW.


Methyl Jasmonate (MeJa): 6th week to 8th week (depending on strain) of flower after all bud has formed, as to not lose any bud mass. Apply MeJa potentially three weeks before harvest.
1mg per litre = 5 ug / PPM? concentration. Mix 1mg with ethanol before adding it to water.
Requires refrigeration.
Dipping seeds in jasmonic acid will kick-start a plant's natural defenses against pests.
Will increase smell of plants.
NEW.

Gibberellin (GA-3: Use Gibberellin with Methyl Jasmonate 6th week to 8th week (depending on strain) of flower after all bud has formed, as to not cause any stretch before harvest. Apply MeJa/GA-3 potentially three weeks before harvest.
Gibberellin PPM Guide.
How much to apply? with MeJa........?.........?.......
PPM 50 - GA mg 125 Water 2400ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 200 - GA mg 125 Water 600ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 800 - GA mg 125 Water 160ml Purpose = blossom set
PPM 2000 - GA mg 125 Water 60ml Purpose = Seed germ
1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter

Gibberellin and jasmonic acid together will have a synergistic effect on both trichome number and density, Jasmonic acid is also responsible for increasing THC within the trichome.
GA-3 increases the size of the trichome/resin glands allowing MeJe to increases THC & terpenes within them.
NEW.

Sodium Nitrophenolate (Atonik) : Apply at 6 day intervals from early veg till 6th to 9th week of flowering (depending on strain) Use 3-10 ppm, equivalent to the amount of 0.2-0.4 grams per mu.
like Triacontanol.
Instead of signaling direct tissue growth effects as with more common PGS’s (Plant growth stimulants) ie. Triacontanol, nitro’s stimulate the production of important plant chemical antioxidants.
Nitro’s are fertilizer synergists, that can increase the absorption of the nutrients while balancing any antagonism between fertilizers. Feed through the root system to stimulates root growth. Atonik is water soluble.
(1000 ppm Atonik?)
NEW.

.............................. .............................. ..
Brassinolide (BL) & 6-Benzylaminopurine (6-BAP) For Vegetative Growth.

.01 ppm Brassinolide and 50 ppm 6-BAP showed healthy rapid growth in comparison to untreated plants Brassinolide .01 ppm on its own had no noticeable effects same with 50 ppm 6-BAP. A concentration of .1 ppm Brassinolide caused the leaves to curl and growth to slow in comparison to the control. 500 ppm 6-BAP caused extreme mutation of the leaves and a complete halt in upward growth resulting in a small bush like thing with more leaves then I can count. 100 ppm 6-BAP caused a perfect topping effect at every node of the plant without slowing upward growth noticeable resulting in a tall bushy plant, pretty much an instant mother for taking more clones off of.
Foliar feed young plants in there first month with .01 ppm Brassinolide and 50 ppm 6-BAP; combined for some incredible growth.

Another big bonus. If you spray MJ with 300 ppm of Brassinolide at the end of the 4th week to 7th week (depending on strain) of flowering; there is a dramatic increase in bud growth. Combined with the earlier spraying of Brassinolide in veg, the end result is outstanding in terms of quality and yield.



..The plant can achieve what it could of done in a shorter amount of time.




.............................. .......................
CHECK LIST
.............................. .......................

1. Buy Methyl Jasmonate
2.


.............................. ........................
POTENTIAL HARVEST DATES
.............................. ........................

1. 18th of April to the 2nd of May pull Scott's OG
2. 9th of May to the 16th of May pull Killa-Watt's
3. 16th of May to the 23rd of May pull Lucky Charms


PeACE.

[aus2canibasiva]

Sorry Omer1 for the mass post & potentially dragging the topic of subject, it might be useful to someone someday

Back to BRASS, since iv'e already given my plants a mega mega dose of 100 ppm, do you think it would be wise to apply it potentially at week 4 of flower when you get that infamous well of bud growth,
what do you think guys?

[aus2canibasiva]

infamous swell not *well.

[shaggyballs]

I would try the BRASS/BAP combo......

It should bulk them up.

Keep in touch you are on the cutting edge!!!!!!!!!!
Keep up the good work!!
shag

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by aus2canibasiva

Hey there.


Here it is.
.............................. .............................. .............................. .............................. ........................
Kelpak Auxin (IAA): 1st January then every 14 days until flower. Switch to Nutri-Kelp Powder - Ascophyllum nodosum Cytokinin until 2 weeks before harvest.

Triacontanol: Use as foliar spray at 0.125ml per 1.5 liter's of water every 6th day in veg & every 3rd day in flower until harvest, safe on food crops until harvest.



6th of January then every 14 days for plant hormones.



(Semi-Synthetic Cytokinin) Kinetin (6-Furfurylaminopurine): Active in the 1-10 PPM 0.8 PPM kinetin range. Best suited to be used on seedlings & younger plants during the first month of vegetative growth, where 6-Benzylaminopurine is better suited for applications during later stages of growth and flowering / fruiting.
May interfere with femaleness in diecious plants?
NEW.

Kelpak Auxin (IAA): 6th January then every 14 days until flower. Switch to Nutri-Kelp Powder - Ascophyllum nodosum Cytokinin until 2 weeks before harvest.

Brassinolide (BL): use in veg only. add 0.2 grams to 2 litre's of water, achieving a .03 ppm solution. Spray every 3 weeks until flowering starts.
Works with Auxin (IAA).
NEW.

Harpin Alpha Beta Protein (Halo): Mix HALO in water at a dilution rate of 10ml per liter of tap water and apply with a sprayer. A HALO 2.5g soluble sachet will give maximum benefit when mixed with 500 ml of water. Mixed in 1 liter of water it will be less concentrated but still offer great results. In general apply at the start of flower & every 2 weeks through flower and once during the last week. Apply twice in veg in dilute amounts.
Harpin protein stimulates Jasmonic acid. Activates SAR (systemic acquired resistance) in plants. Edible crops can be sprayed right up to the day of harvest.
Synergism with Chitosan & (Salicylic Acid, Not needed).
NEW.

Chitosan Oligosaccharide: used as foliar spray at 100 ppm in flower from week 2 through to week 4.
1 Gram goes very far, 3 years potentially, use in homeopathic doses.
Like Methyl Jasmonate but weaker in producing SAR effect & less terpene stimulation.
NEW.

(Synthetic Cytokinin) 6-Benzylaminopurine (6-BAP): Used as a foliar Spray. 0.1g-0.3g to 1 litre of water to achieve 100-300 PPM. Use at week 2 to end of week 4 of flowering along side Nutri-Kelp Powder - Ascophyllum nodosum Cytokinin.
6-BAP will stop all natural upward growth & concentrate on flowering when used in doses of 300 PPM or greater. Use 150 PPM until the end of week 4 to avoid loss of upward growth, at the end of week 4 use 300 PPM to fully utilize 6-BAP.
Can be used with Methyl Jasmonate (MeJa)
NEW.


Methyl Jasmonate (MeJa): 6th week to 8th week (depending on strain) of flower after all bud has formed, as to not lose any bud mass. Apply MeJa potentially three weeks before harvest.
1mg per litre = 5 ug / PPM? concentration. Mix 1mg with ethanol before adding it to water.
Requires refrigeration.
Dipping seeds in jasmonic acid will kick-start a plant's natural defenses against pests.
Will increase smell of plants.
NEW.

Gibberellin (GA-3: Use Gibberellin with Methyl Jasmonate 6th week to 8th week (depending on strain) of flower after all bud has formed, as to not cause any stretch before harvest. Apply MeJa/GA-3 potentially three weeks before harvest.
Gibberellin PPM Guide.
How much to apply? with MeJa........?.........?.......
PPM 50 - GA mg 125 Water 2400ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 200 - GA mg 125 Water 600ml Purpose = early flower
PPM 800 - GA mg 125 Water 160ml Purpose = blossom set
PPM 2000 - GA mg 125 Water 60ml Purpose = Seed germ
1%paste - GA mg 125 Water 5ml Purpose = growth promoter

Gibberellin and jasmonic acid together will have a synergistic effect on both trichome number and density, Jasmonic acid is also responsible for increasing THC within the trichome.
GA-3 increases the size of the trichome/resin glands allowing MeJe to increases THC & terpenes within them.
NEW.

Sodium Nitrophenolate (Atonik) : Apply at 6 day intervals from early veg till 6th to 9th week of flowering (depending on strain) Use 3-10 ppm, equivalent to the amount of 0.2-0.4 grams per mu.
like Triacontanol.
Instead of signaling direct tissue growth effects as with more common PGS’s (Plant growth stimulants) ie. Triacontanol, nitro’s stimulate the production of important plant chemical antioxidants.
Nitro’s are fertilizer synergists, that can increase the absorption of the nutrients while balancing any antagonism between fertilizers. Feed through the root system to stimulates root growth. Atonik is water soluble.
(1000 ppm Atonik?)
NEW.

.............................. .............................. ..
Brassinolide (BL) & 6-Benzylaminopurine (6-BAP) For Vegetative Growth.

.01 ppm Brassinolide and 50 ppm 6-BAP showed healthy rapid growth in comparison to untreated plants Brassinolide .01 ppm on its own had no noticeable effects same with 50 ppm 6-BAP. A concentration of .1 ppm Brassinolide caused the leaves to curl and growth to slow in comparison to the control. 500 ppm 6-BAP caused extreme mutation of the leaves and a complete halt in upward growth resulting in a small bush like thing with more leaves then I can count. 100 ppm 6-BAP caused a perfect topping effect at every node of the plant without slowing upward growth noticeable resulting in a tall bushy plant, pretty much an instant mother for taking more clones off of.
Foliar feed young plants in there first month with .01 ppm Brassinolide and 50 ppm 6-BAP; combined for some incredible growth.

Another big bonus. If you spray MJ with 300 ppm of Brassinolide at the end of the 4th week to 7th week (depending on strain) of flowering; there is a dramatic increase in bud growth. Combined with the earlier spraying of Brassinolide in veg, the end result is outstanding in terms of quality and yield.

As you stated this is not tried and true for cannabis!!!
Are you in a position to do side by side experiments?
Without those this is just anecdotal evidence!!!

Where did you source your Chitosan from and how much was it??

[omera1]

Originally Posted by aus2canibasiva

Sorry Omer1 for the mass post & potentially dragging the topic of subject, it might be useful to someone someday

Back to BRASS, since iv'e already given my plants a mega mega dose of 100 ppm, do you think it would be wise to apply it potentially at week 4 of flower when you get that infamous well of bud growth,
what do you think guys?

no problem
i dont see a problem to use it in flower, but you have to be careful because of the stretch. like shaggy said you better use a brass/bap combo. 0.01/100/50 brass/bap/thiamine could be a good mix to start imo. good luck, and please report results

[omera1]

Originally Posted by aus2canibasiva

Another big bonus. If you spray MJ with 300 ppm of Brassinolide at the end of the 4th week to 7th week (depending on strain) of flowering; there is a dramatic increase in bud growth. Combined with the earlier spraying of Brassinolide in veg, the end result is outstanding in terms of quality and yield.


PeACE.

ok, that part is interesting... but 300ppm bras!?