[omera1]

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[SRGB]

Hi.

It has been quite some time since we last researched tria, some of this data may not be verbatim or entirely precise, yet from what we can recollect finding, the original research was done in open fields, outdoors, using some form of alfalfa mulch. To the best of our recollections, the scientists were not actually looking for tria when they found it; they might have simply been researching use of nearby (locally to them) mulches (or, perhaps waste products from other agriculture) as a cover crop or `fertilizer` if you would for this example, versus applying traditional `fertilizers`.

Once the results of the field(s) were reviewed, the experimenters did the work of isolating the compunds which increased growth rates and yields, and cam across tria.

There have been several papers on the insolubility of tria, and the various methods of making it more soluble in some form of liquid.

There might be several packaged products at large which contain tria, some more difficult to source than others, but available.

The most important factor that we found during our research into tria, was that the effective application rate was only 1 ug/liter, that is, 1 microgram per liter. We will not go into the math involved in defining a microgram, as it might be an exercise in itself.

Further, the primary researchers later found that applying more than the approximate 1 micro gram per liter might actually nullify the effects of tria. Therefore, the researchers then proceeded to create a solution which only dispersed that single microgram per liter evenly over a given crop. there miight be several studies, papers, etc. on that complicated subject matter.

Alternative sources for tria might include the original raw (unrefined) materials that the original researchers used in their experiments, that is alfalfa meal dispersed into the media.

If a gardener really desires to delve into stable collidial dispersions of tria, they might be in for some decent research and micro-measurements of materials, yet perhaps possible.

Polysorbate 20 has been used as an emulsifier to facilitate application of it as a foliar spray, or, in fact as a media drench. Again, we must refer to the effective application rate of only 1 microgram per liter of solution - not 1 ppm, but 1 ppb.

Also, again, we reiterate that it was later found that more than a certain amount of tria applied might simply render the `pgr` ineffective. There might be a substantial amount of research on this topic to filter through to find very small points that might indeed directly affect the viability of the given solution, or other tria application.

Again, we must reiterate that the effective rate of tria is only 1 microgram per liter. Ordinary alfalfa meal, modestly incorporated into a media, or even applied as a top-dressing only once or so per season, might render the desired effects. Does not have to be a `tea, nor does there need to be a substantial amount applied, nor does it need to be applied more than once, as the primary researchers may have found that tria only needed to be applied once (a single application) to be effective (increased growth rates and eventual `yield`).

As we noted above, we did our research some time ago, and do not have our notes before us presently. At that time, we were attempting to use a certain raw material to extract and isolate tria, then create a soluble form (solution, to the extent possible) of the isolated material, at the appropriate and effective concentration rate disclosed by the original researchers.

To the best of our recollections, there were/are other natural materials besides alfalfa from which tria could be derived, though that process might be rather involved (requiring laboratory grade practices to extract and isolate it as a fine, predominantly insolvent crystalline powder).

It (tria) perhaps can also be directly acquired as that powder from certain high quality laboratories, but then there would be the task of creating a soluble dispersion at 1 microgram per liter (rhetorially describing it here as splitting a single particle into a billion pieces within a 1 liter spray bottle,), and only applying that spray a single time, to cover the entire crop.

In any event, a small amount of alfalfa meal, for example, perhaps a handfull or less (1 to 4 ounces), dispersed as a top-dressing, or incorporated into the media might work - as that was, roughly, the material used for the original experiment(s).

However, as a practical consideration, the gardener might want to retain a `control` specimen to determine if the tria experiment specimen actually produced the desired results at the conclusion of the experiment.

We hope that this post might be helpful.

Kind regards,
/SRGB/

[shaggyballs]

@ SRGB

The most important factor that we found during our research into tria, was that the effective application rate was only 1 ug/liter, that is, 1 microgram per liter. We will not go into the math involved in defining a microgram, as it might be an exercise in itself.

0.000001 g = 1 microgram

Thank you very much for a very interesting reply!!!
I have also been looking into nano amounts of calcium,rare earth minerals and their synergy with triacontanol.


Was the research done on cannabis?
Commercial agriculture products seem to recommend it at a higher dose.

Thanks
Shag

[SRGB]

shaggyballs:

0.000001 g = 1 microgram

Thank you very much for a very interesting reply!!!
I have also been looking into nano amounts of calcium,rare earth minerals and their synergy with triacontanol.


Was the research done on ?
Commercial agriculture products seem to recommend it at a higher dose.

Thanks
Shag

Hi, shaggyballs.

Thank you. Again, we do not have any notes before us presently, if we recollect accurately, the original research was performed on some local agricultural field using local agricultural or horticultural by-products, or waste products. We are not entirely certain, but the researchers disclosed the data and it might published at large.

We may have reviewed some publications or finished products where some form of calcium was employed to better facilitate the trias` solubility, or, at least capacity to affect the specimen.

We are not familiar with the products that you are referencing relevant to `recommended` dosages. We posted relevant to our recollections of publications by the original researchers. The subsequent publication that the original researchers wrote concerning their findings where an overabundance of tria being applied might potentially have an inverse effect might be enlightening.

Best,
/SRGB/

[shaggyballs]

Thank you again for the valuable information.
This is gonna require some investigation!

[jadashi]

So... i am trialing a water soluble product of tria from an australian company at 1ppm in res and 25 ppm as a 14 day folair with kwlp... am i was wasting my time? Results seem fairly good but i have no idea if its the kelp/fulvic/humic or the tria...

Label says no surfactant required... surely as an agri product ud think it would penetrate crop vegitation y/n?

[omera1]

guys..... I MADE IT !!! i finally found a way

500ml Water & 100mg Triacontanol, no solvents. nothing...just water. And its stable. no flocculation etc

[shaggyballs]

Congratulations Omera

I know it has been a long road for you!!!
But you finally did it!!!!.....and without a solvent!!!!!WHAT?
You are the man.

That is the way I like mine to look now.
If I use too much poly sorbate 20 it will get pearly....I like it cloudy.

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by jadashi

So... i am trialing a water soluble product of tria from an australian company at 1ppm in res and 25 ppm as a 14 day folair with kwlp... am i was wasting my time? Results seem fairly good but i have no idea if its the kelp/fulvic/humic or the tria...

Label says no surfactant required... surely as an agri product ud think it would penetrate crop vegitation y/n?

It probably has a surfactant already in it.
So yes it should , but to me the jury is still out.

25 ppm seems a little high still you show no negative results?
I am interested in your results using it at 25 PPM.
I would cut that in half and see if you notice a difference.

It is my belief that a 25 PPM spray week 4 in bud will stack the calyx to the maxx.....too much.....cause abrupt ripening....ultimately decreasing yield!!!!
But that is a guess based on a mistake I made awhile back...never did a controlled test.

You really should have a separate plant for a control!!!!
And add only 1 supplement at a time to see real results.
But they do make a good mix.

[med-man]

just get it from bees, not plants

med-man