[Tuco Ramirez]

Hello fellow growers!

We've all had those kind of plants that make one last desperate attempt to reproduce and develop single seeds here and there. I've always thrown them straight to the trashcan but now I'm wondering...

I had a really nice pheno of a dieselryder last summer which I originally grew just for the buds. So I had no intentions to make seeds with it whatsoever. Well.. after I used all my pollen to other projects turned out that this DR isn't really AF at all (more like an early flowering plant) and it grows twice as size I thought it would. Here's couple of pics:





I REALLY would like to save that pheno and I did find 9 seeds when trimming that one at the end of the season. So the question is: is it worth it to grow those at all? Any experience on self-pollinated seeds? I have a conception they will produce lousy plants with lots of tendency to hermie. True.. false..?

I guess I'll just have to try.

[aridbud]

Why not!?! Experiment, esp being an auto!! And pollen travels quite a ways....maybe it wasn't self-poll, but a neighbors male. If it turns out strange, hack it down.

Nice plant!! wouldn't you want to see what becomes of the seeds into a productive plant?? I say, "YES!"

[Tuco Ramirez]

Yeah. Have to give it a go.

I'm sure though that this plant didn't get any pollen anywhere. I know the forest where it grew and there's no chance of other plants there. And even me myself wasn't in touch of pollen anywhere near the time I visited this one.

I friend of mine stressed a feminized plant once so that it grew balls and made seeds with a clone from the very same plant. He said it never affected in any way to the future generations.

We'll see what happens.

[sourpuss]

Should b interesting. Doing a open pollination grow at the moment. Using light stressed pollen. The results have amazed me so far. U see the parents big time. From odour to leaf shape. Quite a lot of fun

[bigAl25]

I'm growing a few self or other strain pollenated white jones this grow. They just broke ground. I'll let you know in 4 months or so. I did throw 3 of them into organic soil in July this summer and took the small plants down in early November. They did not have enough time to veg or properly flower, but the small buds are very good with no hermies on the 3 plants. Give it a shot and let us know.

[Siever]

I had some s1 seeds from blue cheese once.
They turned out to be all right.

[JVonChron]

found 3 beans in a fire P of blu drem one time. found a few other "nanners" in the unit but only 3 beans. Popped those three and they were all girls, they were all bomb as shit and identical to that which from they came...just my experience, and considering the beans turned into something identical from the unit then I would say that it was a "selfed" pollination. good luck. I wish I would have kept that lineage around still kickin myself so you might have something special.

it really dose not work the way most think it dose .. the fact is yes you have seed that has been created by the strain . or do you ?
the fact is pollen can be from miles away you are growing it out side .. you may have a new strain . F1 at that ..or the herm trait surfaces ,

I work with some herm for a few years to see if I could under stand what they are and why .. I found you can take a healthy plant and give it urea nitrogen and make the plant mutate and then take the urea nitrogen away and the plant will react and correct it self even beyond its herm state . in some cases they reverted to stable gender ,will it stress and create more herm yes if it is stress the normal plant strain has that to protect it self .. but if you don't stress the conditioned plant it can become better then stable gender some of my plants showed strong gender and became out standing strains again ..in fact one strain never showed herm traits again after,, so you can try it . its a matter of watching and not giving to much urea at one time .. I used a small cap full every 3 days ..to 5 gallons of soil ,...

see I studied these traits and normal conditions and environments ..the fact is the only difference between a landrace strain and a grow room strain is the leaf matter that would be imprinting the soil under the out door landrace plants .. each time you make seed the plant takes its supply of urea nitrogen's from its own leafs to imprint the seeds its making . these leafs turn color and fall off the tree the seeds it creates are now imprinted by the urea nitrogen level of that tree and like a finger print no other plant has that same imprint code .. you can a land race were many plants of the same type share a common urea nitrogen level and the same environmental conditions , this creates what we believe and label as a IBL , but they are only IBL to those given environmental conditions ...

thus is the case of giving a given plant a treatment of urea nitrogen your resetting its imprinting ,I am still have more study to do but . I believe the imprinting dose two things .. one it stabilizes gender and is in fact what creates a IBL in the first place ...

one thing you should do is plant the seed in the same soil as the mother was in .. that way the seeds are going to react the same way the mother plant did ...its normal to get a few nude seeds in some strains . if it was me I would get some of the soil from where your plant was growing and I would use that to start your seeds ,your mother has already imprinted them . if you keep the same environmental conditions . you should see some stable gender in the off spring ..

[Adze]

A comparatively minor insight into genetics and soil biology would reveal that these ideas are completely without basis. If I may suggest a couple of books: Principles of plant Breeding by Robert Wayne Allard and Marijuana Botany by Robert Connell Clarke. The science underpinning the basic concepts is well established and really not subject to intelligent controversy.

Adze.

[skunk_valley]

I call these miracle seeds and use them like a gift. I have a ghost OG mom from a miracle seed as well as a fire og x GDP seed I am saving. Both came from herb that showed no nanners but alas, there is a seed.

Some of the most sought after strains have come from miracle seeds, obviously the chem family but how many times has someone read something similar.

Pop it, run it, that's the only way to know for sure imo.

SV