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minds_I · 04-17-2006, 08:50 PM

Hello all,

I am not sure about which nivegar to use. Eaither white vinegar or apple cider vinegar.

And why?

minds_I

smokeyMcPOT · 04-18-2006, 12:23 AM

I've used White before and it lowers the PH greatly if used too much. I use a few drops at a time. But I noticed that the PPM goes up roughly 150-200 points in the meantime. I'm looking into getting the PH Up Down solutions. I dont know if they raise the PPM that much or not though. Keep in touch!!

04-18-2006, 12:24 AM

Apple cider vinegar is what I've always been told to use. Not sure why.

It's relatively microbeasty-friendly if you dilute it with water (in like a 20 ounce plastic soda bottle) and THEN add it to your nute solutions/teas/whatever. That way the pH doesn't shoot down suddenly... it's that fluctuation that throws the microherd for a loop.

Suby · 04-20-2006, 09:05 PM

I used to use apple cider vinegar, the organic kind from the grocers, now I just use lots of fulvic and humics acids and dolomite lime and let the mix do it's thing.
Acetic acid is easily broken down and assimilated in various plant funtions which escape me right now, apple compost is some very good stuff.
It breaks down fast so you can't really burn with it or sway the ph too heavily for too long, it really will only spike it down for a couple of days which can be beneficial, i tried it in my bubblers but it just couldn't cut it in hydro.

04-20-2006, 10:10 PM

Suby makes a very good point... since I've started bubbling my nutes 24-48 hours (or more) before application, the pH usually takes care of itself. One of the wonderful results of microbial activity!

And once the microherd is established in the soil itself, the nute solutions don't need to be so exact... anything between 6.0 and 7.2 should be handled well in the presence of a healthy microherd.

minds_I · 06-19-2006, 02:47 PM

Canine,

What is the pH of yoru bubbled solutions-mine always hover around 7.

minds_I

06-19-2006, 03:52 PM

Use EJ catalyst . Way better , you & your plants'll love it .

organic1 · 06-19-2006, 07:46 PM

Use EJ catalyst . Way better , you & your plants'll love it

I would concur....using about a Tbsp. per gallon will bring your ph down a good point, maybe even more.....Be sure to bubble this stuff too, good stuff for your plants.....

bartender187 · 06-19-2006, 07:47 PM

Apple Cidar Vinegar

Lemon Juice

both of those work fine... I use Apple cidar vinegar with great results. works fine

06-20-2006, 12:53 AM

I use EJ Catalyst in my teas sometimes. Super-acidic, that stuff. But if you bubble it for a while, the pH mellows back out. Very important, IMO, to bubble the EJ Catalyst BEFORE introducing your microbes via guano or castings or manure or compost or whatever. Because those wide pH swings will stun the hell out of them.

My teas usually end up around 6.7-7.0 after bubbling.

04-17-2006, 08:50 PM	#1
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04-18-2006, 12:23 AM	#2
smokeyMcPOT Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 160	I've used White before and it lowers the PH greatly if used too much. I use a few drops at a time. But I noticed that the PPM goes up roughly 150-200 points in the meantime. I'm looking into getting the PH Up Down solutions. I dont know if they raise the PPM that much or not though. Keep in touch!!
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04-18-2006, 12:24 AM	#3
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Apple cider vinegar is what I've always been told to use. Not sure why. It's relatively microbeasty-friendly if you dilute it with water (in like a 20 ounce plastic soda bottle) and THEN add it to your nute solutions/teas/whatever. That way the pH doesn't shoot down suddenly... it's that fluctuation that throws the microherd for a loop. Last edited by .canine.; 04-18-2006 at 12:28 AM..
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04-20-2006, 09:05 PM	#4
Suby AWD Aficianado Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: In the healing arms of planet love. Posts: 2,435	I used to use apple cider vinegar, the organic kind from the grocers, now I just use lots of fulvic and humics acids and dolomite lime and let the mix do it's thing. Acetic acid is easily broken down and assimilated in various plant funtions which escape me right now, apple compost is some very good stuff. It breaks down fast so you can't really burn with it or sway the ph too heavily for too long, it really will only spike it down for a couple of days which can be beneficial, i tried it in my bubblers but it just couldn't cut it in hydro. __________________ Organic Fanatic Collective Suby's Kitchen The "Beer" Fridge ~Pimp Your Organic Fertilizer~
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04-20-2006, 10:10 PM	#5
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	Suby makes a very good point... since I've started bubbling my nutes 24-48 hours (or more) before application, the pH usually takes care of itself. One of the wonderful results of microbial activity! And once the microherd is established in the soil itself, the nute solutions don't need to be so exact... anything between 6.0 and 7.2 should be handled well in the presence of a healthy microherd.
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06-19-2006, 02:47 PM	#6
minds_I The Emperor is not only naked but batshit crazy. Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norcal USA Posts: 5,269	Canine, What is the pH of yoru bubbled solutions-mine always hover around 7. minds_I __________________ His contempt for objective truth is the rejection of democratic accountability, an implicit demand that his supporters place undying faith in him. Because the only measure of truth he accepts is what he claims at any given moment, the power his supporters vest in him is unlimited. Sound familiar? If we must have an enemy at the head of Government, let it be one whom we can oppose, and for whom we are not responsible, who will not involve our party in the disgrace of his foolish and bad measures. In the United States, under our Constitution, a free press is a check on politicians of all parties. If we are to demand that other countries respect the tradition of a free press we must also practice that here at home. Let the people know the facts, and the country will be safe.
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06-19-2006, 03:52 PM	#7
guest3854 Guest Posts: n/a	Use EJ catalyst . Way better , you & your plants'll love it .
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06-19-2006, 07:46 PM	#8
organic1 It's about the seed, never the greed Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: All over, 'cept out East Posts: 340	Use EJ catalyst . Way better , you & your plants'll love it I would concur....using about a Tbsp. per gallon will bring your ph down a good point, maybe even more.....Be sure to bubble this stuff too, good stuff for your plants..... __________________ The grower formerly known as bigislandbud Last edited by organic1; 06-19-2006 at 08:27 PM..
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06-19-2006, 07:47 PM	#9
bartender187 Bakin in da Sun Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Planet Zeldar Posts: 2,949	Apple Cidar Vinegar Lemon Juice both of those work fine... I use Apple cidar vinegar with great results. works fine __________________ Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestous sea of liberty. - Thomas Jefferson
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06-20-2006, 12:53 AM	#10
Guest Guest Posts: n/a	I use EJ Catalyst in my teas sometimes. Super-acidic, that stuff. But if you bubble it for a while, the pH mellows back out. Very important, IMO, to bubble the EJ Catalyst BEFORE introducing your microbes via guano or castings or manure or compost or whatever. Because those wide pH swings will stun the hell out of them. My teas usually end up around 6.7-7.0 after bubbling.
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