[MostlyMe]

These descriptions of Thai, African and other pure sativa's really make me curious. I never smoked anything more sativa than Neville's haze. Seems there a lot more variation effect-wise in the sativa area than there is in the indica sphere.

[Gerardbutler79]

Originally Posted by ThaiBliss

Greetings Everyone,

Thanks for the interest, kind words, and encouragement. With regards to keeping the Thai influence, I am nearly a fanatic. Can't you tell? I keep three seed lines that I have had for 31 years. These lines occasionally get brought together in one line, then divided into multiple lines again. Thai has been in it from the start. Nearly everything I grow, test, and possibly get crossed into one of these lines has Thai in it, or Haze, which also has Thai in it. I have been exploring ACE's genetics because a large portion of Dubi's offerings have been crossed with Thai. The exception is Bangi Haze, which will get crossed into my one line that is my early ripening, and effects, priority line. My other two lines are both prioritized for effect only. Anything that I come across with couch-lock gets culled. I have not bread any new strain into any of these three lines for eight years, not even my current 3 year champion, SAGE. SAGE has Haze (Thai) in it. SAGE will likely get into the line at some point, perhaps by way of Purple Haze Thai x SAGE to increase the Haze and Thai influence.

With all that said, I agree that the Thai effects that I love are recessive. Thai is so unique and rare, and the full blown effects are almost always lost when crossed with something else. The big exception is a Haze individual that I once had that was full blown Thai type effect, but even improved with a strong euphoric component that nearly cancelled out the edginess of the Thai. It did not breed true, but I'll never stop trying.

Late for work because of my fanaticism, again. Got to go.

ThaiBliss

Hey Thaibliss. Bless the patience you have for working with such wild sativa. Seems you're looking for that perfect combination of clarity and euphoria in a line. Have you tried DJ's Flo/F13?

[ThaiBliss]

Originally Posted by orfeas

Pardon me asking TB!
What makes some of them leaves have this tendancy of curling upwards?

Orfeas,

The ZD1 has some leaves bending in odd directions because off too much fertilizer salt build up. There are dissolved salts in the soil whether or not you are using organic tea or "chemical" fertilizers. When I let the moisture in the soil dry up, it concentrates the dissolved salts to a point that the moisture in the plant begins to move back into the soil (osmosis) and it literally starts to kill plant cells from lack of water. The less fertilizer in the soil, the less your plant will start to desiccate as the moisture levels decrease.

If you are asking about the serrations that seem to bend in different directions or the v shape of the leaflets looking at a cross section from the tip to the base, then these are genetic traits.

Hope that helps,

ThaiBliss

[wingdings]

Nice start, they look different that the 2 I had already. Mine didn't really end up like you were looking for in the finished product either. They were nice though. Still have over 10 seeds to sort through someday.

[orfeas]

Originally Posted by ThaiBliss

Orfeas,

The ZD1 has some leaves bending in odd directions because off too much fertilizer salt build up. There are dissolved salts in the soil whether or not you are using organic tea or "chemical" fertilizers. When I let the moisture in the soil dry up, it concentrates the dissolved salts to a point that the moisture in the plant begins to move back into the soil (osmosis) and it literally starts to kill plant cells from lack of water. The less fertilizer in the soil, the less your plant will start to desiccate as the moisture levels decrease.

If you are asking about the serrations that seem to bend in different directions or the v shape of the leaflets looking at a cross section from the tip to the base, then these are genetic traits.

Hope that helps,

ThaiBliss

Your 2nd sentence answers my question alright, thanks heaps!

As for the salt build up, aren't we supposed to use light mixtures for seedlings and move into richer ones when transplanting?

[ThaiBliss]

Originally Posted by orfeas

As for the salt build up, aren't we supposed to use light mixtures for seedlings and move into richer ones when transplanting?

Orfeas,

It is my belief that light mixtures should be used throughout the life of the plant. Please see my signature. I will also direct you to this quote on the first post of this thread by copying it here:

Unknown Guest - "No doubt the very best weed I smoked in my life was Zamal. It only happened to me a couple of times to find some stash that reminded of zamal's quality in holland. The best weed is the one that was not touched nor fertilized by man during its whole life. When they hear about our HPSs and fertilizers stuff, they laugh a lot."

My experience has led me to completely agree with the quote in bold.

That being said, I wish I had extremely powerful strains that were adapted to the environment where I live. I wish the "authorities" were not persecuting people who prefer cannabis for their medicine and for enjoyment. I wish cannabis was not so rare that people often steal peoples plants when they see them.

So, we must be flexible. Flexibility is also necessary because there are drastic genetic differences in nutrients required by different strains. In fact, these Zamaldelica seedling who may be sisters or cousins are so different that ZD2 is a bit nutrient deprived while ZD1 is overdosed using the very same tea.

If ZD1 proves to be a preferred smoke, I would not trade it for an easier to grow plant. There is way too much of that sort of thing going on in the cannabis scene, in my opinion. I have grown some top self smoke that was from an easy to grow plant, but the best I have ever grown was one that was far more sensitive and difficult to grow than this ZD1.

All the Best,

ThaiBliss

[orfeas]

ThaiBliss,

First of all I totally see eye to eye with you and I have read both your signature and the line you quoted for I've been following your thread daily.

Back in the day(early eighties) when I first strarted growing, there was no such thing as canna nutrients, soil mixes and dutch hybrids whatsoever in Greece.
Seeds we had our own for quite often we culled males tad too late.
So all we did was plant in the ground straight away the way we'd been planting beans and other veggies.
Ferts? Only a handful of chichen/goat manure if available, at times nothing at all.
End results? The quote from your 1st post!
Then, in the nineties, there came the Dutch with all the paraphernalia and where have we come to?
Almost impossible to find those genetics...

[orfeas]

Originally Posted by orfeas

ThaiBliss,

First of all I totally see eye to eye with you and I have read both your signature and the line you quoted for I've been following your thread daily.

Back in the day(early eighties) when I first strarted growing, there was no such thing as canna nutrients, soil mixes and dutch hybrids whatsoever in Greece.
Seeds we had owr own for quite often we culled males tad too late.
So all we did was plant in the ground straight away the way we'd been planting beans and other veggies.
Ferts? Only a handful of chichen/goat manure if available, at times nothing at all.
End results? The quote from your 1st post!
Then, in the nineties, there came the Dutch with all the paraphernalia and where have we come to?
Almost impossible to find those genetics...

This season I've grown a Kali Mist in a ditch that hosted four plants last year, without adding a drop of ferts and she grew wildly to 270cm, although the mold didn't let het finish in due time.
I must say though that the ditch had been filled with my DIY mix(peat/perlite/manure) April 2012.

[ThaiBliss]

Originally Posted by orfeas

As for the salt build up, aren't we supposed to use light mixtures for seedlings and move into richer ones when transplanting?

Orfeas,

Truth is, I took your sentence that I have quoted above as accusatory and I got defensive. I apologize.

Communication can be difficult face to face, and can be even more challenging with quick posts. I'd like to clear up one point. I consider manure, among other organic nutrient sources, to be fertilizer, and I burned one of my seedlings by using too much. I made a mistake due to lack of experience with this stain.

My fertilizer mixes include bird guano, aged fish meal, seaweed, and even green alfalfa pellets in the soil. I believe anything is fertilizer that can burn the plant from excess nutrient salts.

B.T.W., Kali Mist has a great reputation and has been described as trippy. Feel free to post pictures here.



ThaiBliss

"No doubt the very best weed I smoked in my life was Zamal. It only happened to me a couple of times to find some stash that reminded of zamal's quality in holland. The best weed is the one that was not touched nor fertilized by man during its whole life. When they hear about our HPSs and fertilizers stuff, they laugh a lot."
"there was no such thing as canna nutrients, soil mixes and dutch hybrids (...) all we did was plant in the ground straight away the way we'd been planting beans and other veggies"
"without adding a drop of ferts"

I'd like to add that an untouched plant has been fertilized by past generations dying and returning their nutrients to the soil, resulting in a net gain to the soil
The need for external nutrients comes from man being a "bandit" and stealing this return by harvesting.
If you keep growing in the same soil and harvest everything (well excluding the roots) you will in the end grow weaker, lower-yielding, less pest and disease resistant, plants; this may or may not affect the high.
Fertilizing only with manure is not sufficient in supplying certain nutrients; it has been proven that soil lacking minerals will grow less nutrient-dense food crops, more susceptible to pests and disease. (Also a contributing factor the food-related problems of our societies).
Not sure how it may affect the high but it's enough to convince me to make sure that my soil has the required minerals.

However I don't think external fertilization is necessary, I guess we should all let a part of our harvest return to the soil not sure if I'm ready to do that. Perhaps the males are sufficient?

Hope this is helpful or interesting to anyone and that ThaiBliss doesn't mind me ranting a bit and getting off-topic

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