[Bongstar420]

Originally Posted by EclipseFour20

Hmmm...you might reconsider your conclusion. The Si found in Potassium Silicate (Silica Blast, Pro-tekt, etc) is not in the form of Plant Available Silica (PAS)...rather it will take weeks for it to be converted to PAS. There are only two types of PAS: amorphous silica (think food grade DE) and monosilicic acid (very few Potassium Silicate products include this "expensive" ingredient).

Sorry if I rained on anyone's parade, Cheers!

BTW, sand is mostly silica right? Real cheap right? Zero PAS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stoichiometry.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silicic_acid


If you actually read these links, you will find out how almost free Silicic acid can be had. I do not see how your Tomato yields can pay for $3000/gal Fasilitor. The Armor Si is not any where near as obscenely priced, but I seriously doubt your Tomato yield will make the investment worth it. Cannabis is a weak accumulator of Silica and only sees modest improvements with supplementation according to the horticultural research journals that Ive read, and Ive got a Bachelors of Science in Integrated Horticultural Production so its not like I am "just some dumbass" on the subject matter but rather the inverse. Normal surface water will inevitably contain Silicates as "Silicic acid" btw.

https://www.lenntech.com/periodic/wat...-and-water.htm (these people are selling water cleaning systems based on the claim that Silicic acids are ubiquitous)

How about gracing us with that magic "form" of Silica or other mineral that you know is worth more than $3000/diluted gallon. I have already conceded that an aquaponic system might benefit though you would probably need to use distilled or reverse osmosis to really starve a Cannabis plant of silica. If Silica is ever present, Silicic acid will be constantly produced with no need to supply "PAS." Also, Amorphous silica is produced by mixing silicate salts with a proton donor like Phosphoric acid. Amorphous silica does not dissolve to any appreciable extent and is similar to Quartz in that respect. I can't see how it is more "PAS" than good ol' Potassium silicate.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/j150516a002 (note the Stoichiometric language in the discussion of the compound)

I think saving people's wasted time, money, and resources is good even if I will never meet or know anything about them.

[Coconutz]

Honestly... I think the protekt silica works better.
I used a sample bottle of fasilitor and did not see any reason to spend $3K per gallon, thats for sure!

[shaggyballs]

looks to me facilitator is just potassium silicate dissolved in phosphoric acid.

with micro's nothing more!!!!

who has the important answer:

what scientifically make this a superior product????
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=261720

[northerngrafta]

After using facilitator I don't even feel like the two should be compared they couldn't be more different.
Facilitator can also be used to stunt plants like a PGR can potassium silicate do that (not to my knowledge)

[Mister_D]

Originally Posted by UnknownProphet

In over 10 years every grower I've come across that complains about the cost of nutes has ALWAYS 100% of the time shown me cheap looking results. It's a mentality/ego thing which reminds me of that show 'Extreme Cheapskates'. Cutting corners for cost alone can itself be costly. Sure I could build my own soil and make my own nutrient concoctions, but some of us don't want to have 50 pounds of manure or salts lingering around like we are planning some uni b*mber shit.

Besides that I do look forward to OPs results.

Hate to come in and burst your bubble, but this was grown with about the cheapest nutes a man can buy (jack's hydro and cal-nit). Nothing else added other than sulfuric acid (99% purity) to adjust PH. I'll take the pepsi challenge with anyone's "additive improved" herb any day of the week.



Now to be clear, if it makes you feel better for whatever reason to buy the same elements in a pretty bottle for umpteen times more money, I won't stop ya. Though I assure you anyone with a minimal education in horticulture would laugh at what many growers spend on nutes. Capitalism is a wonderful thing however .


Dab - Look forward to your results. As mentioned earlier, you really should have a control group that receives no silica. It's good shit I assure you, but to be a true side by side you need a control.

[vince514]

barricade from advanced nutrients was the BEST silica product on the market 0.15 ml/L now they have rhino skin that's 10X watered down at 2ml per L what a joke..just IMHO

[shaggyballs]

What makes Facilitator soo special???????
There is alot of conjecture floating around.
I would like a scientific explanation!!!!!!
If it acts like a PGR than it has a PGR hidden in it!!!!
But where is the proof???
What would cause such a reaction????
Is there ingredients not listed????
Hmmm!
I don,t mean to rattle any cages....but things just don't add up!
Just my view!
shag

[shaggyballs]

Originally Posted by UnknownProphet

In over 10 years every grower I've come across that complains about the cost of nutes has ALWAYS 100% of the time shown me cheap looking results. .

.................... ..............
Yall aint bin ta mi howse!!

[jayjayfrank]

Hi, first post here, learned a lot so i have to give back... The faccilitor or regulator as it is named here in eu, might have a little of PGRs actulaly phytohormones... it cann not contain gibberelins, this plant hormone causes cell elongnation witch is contrary to the suposed effect of regulator/facilitor. Second it may contain the "pgr" cytokinin, but that's not such a bad thing, so does any kelp product or nytrozime... also it might contain auxins (not necessarily I3AA IBA etc..) these 2 combined in a ratio of 3:1 C:A will get you a plant released from apical dominance... actually any depletion of auxin will do that..

notes on fasilitor

thoughts? ideas?

[mrrangz]

drip clean would be a cheaper option vs fasilitor. anyone that has used drip clean knows the power it holds. altho many people just seem to take it as a hydro additive that cleans out salts.