[floralheart]

I'm new, kind of.

Let's take, Connoisseur Genetics Seeds Grandaddy Purple S1 for an example.

How many times can I use a product such as tiresia's mist on the plant before stress becomes an issue that carries through genetics or affects sexual stability in the next generation?

Would using TM on the Connoisseur GDP fems likely produce a next generation full of hermies, misfits and other unknowns?

Basically, how far can you push (how many generations) making beans from forced fems and reverses through products like TM?

Reverses of reverses of reverses, I was always told not to do it.

I'm just getting hip to preserving genetics the more it becomes legal. Never cared about quality or longevity before, as it was always so disposable. Now I can be more attached to the plants because it's state legal.

I'm preserving now with straight breeding practices, but want to see if I'm missing out on a better, faster way of saving genes. I want to refine the stuff I like and save a copy.

[roach]

with the right selection you could make s1 s2 s3 s500 without making it a hermie or loose vigor, its only through bad selection and not enough testing of the offspring before deciding which parent to use for the next generation that you end up with hermies or other bad shit, but that can happen with normal male/female breeding too, selection, testing and numbers is the key

^^^ Testing is key. Seems like there are a lot of companies out there that get a hold of a clone only, self it, and ship the seeds out without running a bunch themselves. Its lame.

Originally Posted by roach

with the right selection you could make s1 s2 s3 s500 without making it a hermie or loose vigor, its only through bad selection and not enough testing of the offspring before deciding which parent to use for the next generation that you end up with hermies of other bad shit, but that can happen with normal male/female breeding too, selection, testing and numbers is the key

hello roach, really you think you can make as many generation you want and not see some loss in the line ? i always thought that even with right selection onward a few generations of selfing the line automatically loses vigor and recessive deleterious alleles express themself.

[HidingInTheHaze]

Cheesehead Auto's used to have The White S2's aka Nitemare Kush and they all looked just as good as The White.

I think it all comes down to the strain or clone mother, some strains seem to produce better results when selfed then others. Look at OG Kush, it self;s beautifully and produces a product much like the clone. I suspect many of the well known OG cuts are just different selfed generations of the original.

[VerdantGreen]

if i'm looking for a clone in seed form then give me an S1 any day rather than a cross or bx.

VG

[StayBlazinDawg]

I have been wondering the same question I have been winding the CS to 5 different strains and let's see what happens? With the female pollen I'm going to self pollinate those five plants for fem seeds, but what happens if I use the female pollen on other strains? Hmmmm

[roach]

some plantspecies are self pollinating, in a large population after some generations all the bad genes will be weeded out naturally, survival of the fittest etc.

if you make a s1, grow one seed and make s2 from that plant, grow one seed and make s3 etc, then you will see lots of bad things happening, unless you are very lucky, but lets say you grow 10000 of the s1´s, select the best 100 and make s2´s on each of them, and then grow each of the 100 different s2´s seperatly to see which of the s1´s that have the best offspring, grow 10000 of the s2´s from the best s1, select the best 100 s2, make s3, rinse and repeat, and you will see a very different result

[roach]

I also think it´s a very usefull tool to make s1´s of all your motherplants, that way you will have a better idea what it contains, if all the s1´s go hermie on you then you might not want to use that mother in a cross, or if you have several candidates of a strain to save as mothers, make s1´s of each of them and then see which have the best offspring, and save that mother, chances are it will also be a better breeding candidate than the others

In some cases two specific plants will make for a awesome cross, but those two plants crossed to anything else will be shit, so there can be a case where the plant that didnt do the best in the s1 test will actualy be the best parent in a specific cross with a specific clone

Originally Posted by roach

some plantspecies are self pollinating, in a large population after some generations all the bad genes will be weeded out naturally, survival of the fittest etc.

if you make a s1, grow one seed and make s2 from that plant, grow one seed and make s3 etc, then you will see lots of bad things happening, unless you are very lucky, but lets say you grow 10000 of the s1´s, select the best 100 and make s2´s on each of them, and then grow each of the 100 different s2´s seperatly to see which of the s1´s that have the best offspring, grow 10000 of the s2´s from the best s1, select the best 100 s2, make s3, rinse and repeat, and you will see a very different result

yes but cannabis is a cross pollinated species and even if you grow large number each selfed generation, you cant make as many generation you want like s500 in my opinion, i remembered a thread years ago where sam the skunkman said after s4 all plants show sign of severe inbreeding depression, deleterious alleles causing lost of vigor, sterility....