[h.h.]

Originally Posted by Mate Dave

I have started my own living soil out here in the Campo. I have started with horse shit & landslide. That will rest for 2 weeks till I return & amend it with more OM before testing it, I have a lab that can test in the local big town so I hope to be able to do leaf soil analysis all season & learn some new things. I'm going to spend as lil as is possible.. I am keen on applying Snow's theory on Ca & will get that right up in the 70's & I have some Vetch & oilseed reddish & some Clover & mustards to prevent erosion & create some fertility & give some biodiversity.

I won't even entertain Tim Hill or Coot or Stand mix as it seems to no do so well & there is too much no necessary things in it for where I am. Soil is soil if it's @ optimum that's it.. No need to copy everything, N is N P is P & K. I want to use local stuff from inside the Valley I'm in no import of supeflorious- unnecessary & excessive stuff cos it sounds cool on a forum.

I'm finding all this theory on soil boring as nobody has any analysis to show their side. I'm going back to work now.. Speak soon

I don't think I'd waste all that money on calcium theories. Chock it up to that "sounds cool" analysis.

[Mate Dave]

It's not wasted if you get to the goal. I have never grown big trees outside except onetime in the uk when I got fusarium & lost most the plant to that. I'm expecting them to get 3x as big as that & want to know that they won't rinse out all that Ca by flower. My experience indoor has shown me that when reusing media that Ca is the most important part of my mix & usually it's missing, the water has lots of Ca but that won't do a big plant any good.. Thinking about doing a side by side if I can get this Ammo cut I'm smoking & test a few mix's. I've got some pots to grow seedlings in till transplant time.. As long as they stay green and don't get all woody then I'll be happy & I can see what the paperwork says

[Stickybred420]

so basically dolomitic lime is useless. that's good to know cause ive always felt like its un necessary and not really doing anything (for our application). Im pretty ure I added too much of the shit to my first grow and locked out a lot of shit late in the plants life. I grew with it once and basically threw it in the garbage right after. I much prefer Epsom salts dissolvedin ro water when needed than to load your soil up with that reactive shit and fuck up the soil. besides liming agents kill michroheard anyway.

[redlaser]

spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/Mg_Basics.html
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That link has some interesting magnesium info

After reading about having too much or too little magnesium, I’ve found a few studies showing Ca-mg ratios from 4-18 to 8-4 with not much difference on the end harvested weight.

[Weird]

Originally Posted by redlaser

spectrumanalytic.com/support/library/ff/Mg_Basics.html
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That link has some interesting magnesium info

After reading about having too much or too little magnesium, I’ve found a few studies showing Ca-mg ratios from 4-18 to 8-4 with not much difference on the end harvested weight.

the myths regarding soil nutrients and plant expression are so grossly overstated at this point that truth is no longer appreciated and when you argue to the importance of verity of information you get people arguing how they don't detract from the thread

[Weird]

Originally Posted by Mikell

You can learn a shit ton from Weird if you filter out all the emotional ranting. I did and do. But good luck to you if you happen to disagree on a few points. See above book length posts.

Ah your ol' laundry list of assumptions. I see you added dick rider.

Besides preaching down the pulpit here (or trolling the Fertilizer subforum), what else do you contribute? I rarely see hide nor hair of you in the Infirmary or elsewhere, unless you've come to start an argument.

Maybe I'm wearing the same set of blinkers as you and only see the negative.

no because if I go to the thread search function, and then go to advanced and filter by user I can find my contributions and the constant barrage of people who don't grow los argue the against the methods regardless of the success presented benignly

i have been posting my work for a decade here in every form taking the tech and applying it, working out the bugs to help others avoid a learning curve and all these distractions have done is spend time arguing white paper versus real world application and mostly in contention to what I share

the history is there and it isn't subjective

I have posted my subsequent recycles and the success and the methodology I don' follow you around the boards hyper posting non relevant stuff because being an irritation excites me

i guess canada is that fucking boring

[PakSamGyiShing]

PW, as I seem to recall Gas' mix was intended to be a water-only affair, whereas Coot's was meant to be supplemented with botanical teas throughout the grow, and topped with worm castings. This explains the differences in nutrient levels. If you do a side by side you'll need to manage them differently in order to make a fair comparison.

Another point that may or may not be relevant, is that Coot seemed to emphasize a little more than Gas on using highest quality composts (vermicomposts) which he essentially had to create himself. This could be an additional factor in the mix.

Due to having a weird selection of ingredients last year, I did something like a "modified gascanastan" grow, that had nutrient levels more inline with the Cootz mix, but ratios like Gas', and then supplemented with botanical teas, &c. I was very happy with what I was able to do given my situation and I'll run it again similarly this year with a few things added.

Some conclusions that I came to from last year are: 1) botanical treatments are amazing, especially herbal teas (chamomile, &c.) for dealing with PM, &c.; 2) Silica is amazing for cannabis, and should be included in every grow.

Originally Posted by PaulieWaulie

Im looking at doing a side by side of the 3 Main Basic Mixes By Burn 1, Coot, and Gascanstan.

Gascanstan's Mix seems to be more than 2X to 4X as high in amendments to the Coot Mix on a per Cubic Foot basis. Anyone have any thoughts input or experience on that?

(Ammendments Per/Cubic Foot)
Gascanstan

1 Cup Crab Meal
2 Cup Kelp Meal
2 Cup Fish Meal
2 Cup Fish Bone Meal
1/2 Cup SUL-PO-MAG
1 Cup Neem Seed
1/2 Cup Alfalfa Meal
1/4 Cup Lime Mix

COOTZ

1/2 Cup Neem Meal
1/2 Cup Kelp
1/2 Cup Crab Meal
4 Cups Rock MIX (4 Parts Glacial Rock Dust, 1 Part Bentonite, 1 Part Oyster Shell, 1 Part Basalt)

[Lapides]

Originally Posted by Weird

i guess canada is that fucking boring

LOL. Sorry I have nothing more to add at the moment.

[PakSamGyiShing]

Rh, so long as you already have near-correct levels of calcium (60+% base saturation), adding gypsum will leach the other cations off of the exchange complex, via the added sulfate.

Originally Posted by Rodehazrd

I am just building a raised bed in my 7x9 flower room and I see a lot of posts about K and Mg levels being hard to keep down in a no till bed. In addressing your issues what do you do to keep a balance? More gypsum?

[h.h.]

Originally Posted by Mate Dave

It's not wasted if you get to the goal. I have never grown big trees outside except onetime in the uk when I got fusarium & lost most the plant to that. I'm expecting them to get 3x as big as that & want to know that they won't rinse out all that Ca by flower. My experience indoor has shown me that when reusing media that Ca is the most important part of my mix & usually it's missing, the water has lots of Ca but that won't do a big plant any good.. Thinking about doing a side by side if I can get this Ammo cut I'm smoking & test a few mix's. I've got some pots to grow seedlings in till transplant time.. As long as they stay green and don't get all woody then I'll be happy & I can see what the paperwork says

When you're nitrogen/potassium balance is off, you get fast growth with weak cells and disease.Big, sick plants. Nothing to do with calcium.