[amannamedtruth]

yea seeds to moms, but still, where'd those come from ??? lol

[Bababooey]

That is a good question though.
but i doubt theyre going to approve you for a license, take your 200k fee, and then actively prevent you from obtaining genetics. that would be messed up, even for the govt.
Now, if youre approved for a cc license, and later get popped by US customs because you ordered $10k in seeds through the mail, and eventually wind up with a felony drug conviction because of it, you'll lose your cultivation center license and your fee, etc etc. And the State will move on and give your license to some other applicant.

i think theres some provision in the law for sharing of genetics between CC's in cases of clone shortages and maybe for research purposes (high cbd strains). but theres forms to fill out in order to get permission to share genetics.

it's like, what did CA and CO and WA do when their medicinal programs first started? MI and other states too. I think they were all pretty silent on where the genetics come FROM, you know, and yet that didn't stop the dispensaries and grow ops from setting up shop.
so maybe worrying about the origin question is overthinking it.

[Julian]

I think (personally) the genetics acquisition issue has become more significant (to some) than it actually is. I think this is more the question for those intending to implement sog operations and wishing to walk 10k clones through the door. (Which operationally I would question anyway).

The town hall transcripts (all) will be posted shortly as well on the MCPP site.

[Bababooey]

Section 1000.435 of the CC rules:

Each cultivation center, prior to commencing business, shall:
1) Conduct an initial comprehensive inventory of all cannabis at the facility.
If a cultivation center commences business with no cannabis on hand, the cultivation center shall record this fact as the initial inventory; and
2) Establish ongoing inventory controls and procedures for the conduct of inventory reviews and comprehensive inventories of cannabis, which shall enable the cultivation center to detect any diversion, theft or loss in a timely manner.
b) Upon commencing business, each cultivation center shall conduct a weekly inventory of cannabis stock, which shall include, at a minimum:
1) the date of the inventory;
2) a summary of the inventory findings;
3) the name, signature and title of the individuals who conducted the
inventory and the agent-in-charge who oversaw the inventory; and
4) the product name and quantity of cannabis plants or cannabis-infused products at the facility.


So when you start up operations, you're supposed to list the cannabis you start out with; the answer could be 'none', although i suppose the answer would have to be 'some', eventually, otherwise why get a cultivation center?

[Bababooey]

Schedule 4 - cultivation plan in the CC draft application doesn't mention specifically where the genetics will come from but does ask for a process flow diagram showing how raw materials will proceed from planting to shipment to dispensary.
so if you wanted to be thorough you would say clone or seed is the starting material. maybe generically you could say seedlings. immature plants? vegetative state?

if u could do it, why wouldnt u start off with 10K clones? because operationally you want to grow large trees instead of sea of green?

[amannamedtruth]

From the FAQ just sent out...

https://www2.illinois.gov/gov/mcpp/Do...Q%20082514.pdf

Do the rules address where initial seeds/clones can come from?

No.

I assume that means 'don't ask don't tell'

[Julian]

[amannamedtruth]

Ramping up here.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburb...828-story.html

As state officials enacted the rules that will govern the rollout of medical marijuana in Illinois, dozens of individual communities updated their zoning codes to determine where grow centers and pot stores can and cannot be located.

Now, with the state poised to begin accepting applications next month for businesses and patients, many suburbs have moved from the theoretical to the concrete as they consider specific proposals from people who want to grow or sell legal marijuana within town borders.
Elgin approves medical marijuana dispensary
Elgin approves medical marijuana dispensary
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Communities including Naperville, Elgin, Glenview, Woodstock and LaGrange have all been eyed by would-be pot purveyors as potential sites for medical marijuana dispensaries, with varying degrees of success.

Late Wednesday, the Elgin City Council voted 8-1 to approve a special-use permit to allow a medical marijuana dispensary to operate along Crispin Drive in a commercial area — though the plan remains contingent on state approval. Councilman Terry Gavin, who voted in favor of the plan by Salveo Health and Wellness, predicted it could be as beneficial to the community as the local riverboat has been.
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In Elgin and other suburbs, though, much of the concern has revolved around whether pot dispensaries should be allowed in traditional business districts or — as many local leaders and residents have said they prefer — tucked away in more discrete industrial, warehouse or office zones where they would be less visible, particularly to children.

The state law also restricts where dispensaries can operate: They must be at least 1,000 feet from a school or day care center and cannot be within a residential district. And only 60 dispensaries will be allowed statewide.
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In Glenview, Plan Commission members Tuesday night discussed a proposal to open a dispensary in an industrial zone along Lake Avenue.

Glenview resident Julie Stone told local officials there that, if she gets state and local approval, she expects her GreenLeaf Organics business to serve up to 500 patients. It would be open six days a week but closed on Sunday, according to village documents.

Stone said there are people close to her who suffer from painful illnesses and could benefit from medical marijuana. Once the state law was passed, Stone said she decided to develop a business plan.
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@chi_bill13 sure, industrial areas, where there's less people traffic.. ie less witnesses when the SHTF at one of these places... brilliant.
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"I'm a firm believer in the benefits of the medical marijuana," she said. "My mission with GreenLeaf Organics is to provide the highest quality of medical marijuana in a safe and professional environment."

A local woman who said she has cancer told officials during the meeting that she has already begun using marijuana for pain relief. But she said she'd prefer to get it though legal, regulated channels where she can be more confident about what she's taking.
U.S. government to grow 30 times more marijuana this year
U.S. government to grow 30 times more marijuana this year
Lauren Raab

Other residents expressed concerns about exposure to children. They noted that even though the proposed site is not less than 1,000 feet from a school or day care, it is near businesses that cater to children.

The Plan Commission did not take a vote and is expected to continue its consideration of the plan next month.

In Elgin, much of the opposition came from neighboring businesses that tried unsuccessfully Wednesday night to get more time to provide feedback on the plan. Their concerns revolved mainly around security, traffic and local zoning standards.

Chachkevitch is a Tribune reporter; Houde is a freelance reporter. Tribune reporter Robert McCoppin contributed.

achachkevitch@tribune.com

[Bababooey]

Sounds like neighbors, residents as well as businesses, are often resistant to the idea of being near a dispensary.
Ah well.

[Bababooey]

ive been trying to work out how big the IL mmj market will be. norml thinks 10-30K patients the first year. im thinking it will be on the low side of that number.
NJ only has 2400 patients signed up.

By Susan K. Livio | The Star-Ledger
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on June 15, 2014 at 7:02 AM, updated June 15, 2014 at 1:32 PM







TRENTON — After predictions that New Jersey’s medical marijuana program could serve tens of thousands of patients with severe and painful illnesses, only 2,342 have signed up — a participation rate so small some worry the very future of the program could be at stake.
Lawmakers, some dispensary operators and patients blame the sluggish enrollment on the program’s rigid rules, exorbitant costs for patients and growers, and Gov. Chris Christie’s contention that he does not need to do anything more to enhance participation.
And they say one major roadblock is that so few New Jersey doctors are willing to recommend patients for medical marijuana.
"We have a dysfunctional program, and I think it’s going to take some sort of ‘pot summit’ bringing together patients, doctors and legislators to really make this a success," said Assemblyman Reed Gusciora (D-Mercer), one of the lead sponsors of the law.
"We are hearing more and more anecdotal evidence that dispensaries are not sustaining themselves, the quality (of the marijuana) is not always there, and it’s difficult for doctors and patients to get into the program," Gusciora said.
The lawmaker said while he has "every faith" in state Health Commissioner Mary O’Dowd, "there is so much reticence on the administration’s part, I don’t know how you break that logjam. All they have to do is open their eyes."
Enrollment in the program has more than doubled in the last year as two of the state’s three medical marijuana dispensaries opened their doors. But it’s nowhere near the 5,000 to 30,000 medical marijuana patients advocates anticipated when the law was passed. Dispensary owners looked at disease statistics in New Jersey and expected at least 50,000 patients. The state’s first dispensary opened in December 2012.
"We thought we would have 10,000 patients by now," said Yale Galanter, attorney and spokesman for Garden State Dispensary in Woodbridge, which has served 1,700 since opening six months ago.
The Compassionate Care Foundation center in Egg Harbor Township, which opened with great fanfare in October after securing a state-backed loan, says it needs 2,000 patients to break even and has served 600. The owners report bagfuls of cannabis are going to waste, and expansion plans are on hold.
Chief operating officer Bill Thomas quit last week, saying he could no longer work without getting paid.
"It’s failing," Thomas said in an interview days before he resigned Monday. "From a business standpoint and from a patient standpoint, it’s not successful. The governor says why change anything if (patients) haven’t shown up. Is there really no demand, or is it so hard to get access that it is easier to buy it from the high school kid down the street? It’s not like the people don’t get it another way."
Woodbridge’s Galanter said the problem can be fixed, based on owner Michael Weisser’s experience operating dispensaries in Colorado.
DOCTORS ARE 'KEY'

"We know the key to this program being viable is getting doctors involved," he said.
Patients must be referred by a doctor in order to participate. Just 296 of New Jersey’s 21,000 licensed physicians have signed up.
Many doctors don’t want their name on the state’s website, according to Gusciora, and dispensary officials from Woodbridge and Egg Harbor Township. They said doctors who are in the program report that they get calls from people diagnosed with illnesses they don’t treat, as well as others who don’t qualify for the program. As that word spreads, other doctors are wary about joining the program, the officials say.
And given the stigma surrounding marijuana, which is still illegal under federal law, some doctors fear they will lose patients or alienate their practice partners.
"They are not saying (their names) should be a secret," said David Knowlton, a founder and board member of Compassionate Care Foundation. "But having it on the website implies to patients they can walk in and be seen."
In New Mexico, a state Christie officials studied when modeling the program’s rules, doctors’ names are not publicly disclosed "due to confidentiality and legal issues," according to the state program’s website. Physician names are accessible by consulting the many commercial websites that have sprung up promoting the program.
O’Dowd’s spokeswoman Donna Leusner defended the state’s cautious approach to the program, noting New Jersey was the first state to enact the law that adopted "a medical model" rather than the business blueprint forged in states like Colorado and California.
"Physicians’ names were posted on the department’s website to assist patients in finding doctors, just as health insurers list physicians participating in their networks," Leusner said.
"The model of a medically based program was well-known and established by the Legislature and former Governor (Jon) Corzine when the law was passed," she said. "Advocates may have overstated the demand based on the experience of other states that do not have a medical model. But that’s a question best directed to (the dispensaries), their boards and investors."
'CONVENIENT EXCUSE'

Larry Downs, executive director for the Medical Society of New Jersey, said he found the lack of doctor involvement a "convenient excuse" for the program’s struggles.
"If dispensary owners have overestimated the market, then that is not the concern of the medical field," Downs said.
"If doctors believe it is a legitimate therapy, being published on a website is not going to stop them," he added. "A lot of doctors do not believe it is a good therapy and that it does not meet standards of efficacy and safety."
The slow enrollment rate and struggling dispensaries have had a ripple effect on some patients.
Betty Rand, an 89-year-old homebound stroke patient from Millburn, says medical marijuana eases her pain and muscle spasms, but it would be far easier if she could get it in the form of a lozenge. Smoking makes her cough and adds to her suffering from the host of other illnesses she’s battling.
Dispensaries, however, don’t offer lozenges or any edible product yet. The health department is reviewing manufacturing plans from the Woodbridge dispensary. With lagging enrollment, Egg Harbor officials have said they can’t afford the expense of developing a new product.
Rand describes the program as "a job they’ve half-done and are not finishing right, They are not making an effort, and as long as Christie is there, he is not going to do it."
Knowlton, a former deputy health commissioner, says he’s far from giving up on the program. He is talking with O’Dowd and program director John O’Brien about changes that could make it more accessible, such as allowing hospice centers and nursing homes to act as couriers for registered patients in their care. People who cannot obtain their own marijuana may identify a caregiver to retrieve it for them, but a caregiver can only serve one patient.
"I recognize that with a program that has this much scrutiny, the state has to move slowly," Knowlton said. "I think the department is trying to be helpful but cautious. They have to think ‘How could this go bad?’ I am confident this is going to work out. This is just a trying time."