Originally Posted by squatcrayon

Your point is?

My point is provide some valuable input. To this point your posts look like spam.

[trichrider]

please choose option b...

A. All others
B. Bio-Ag

Originally Posted by trichrider

please choose option b...

A. All others
B. Bio-Ag

LMAO! Yeah well when it comes to a fulvic acid product not much better out there than BioAg's Ful-Power Humic.

Dr. Faust knows his shit.

[squatcrayon]

I am not sure if you have read my previous posts or the questions I was answering. The questions asked have been one-liners and I have responded in kind. I think you commented on one of my posts about humic acids where I wrote out what I knew about humic acid extraction and the skepticism I felt towards the methods used to evaluate them and a suggestion of what would be better.

I don't think this is the right place to be talking about this. If you have an issue with my posts take it up in messages compared to a general open forum..

Anyways let me elaborate to my previous comment for this particular Q so it is not considered spam...

I have tried Dirt M.D., it is a newer product. They were giving out free samples and I got me one of them. It worked for me, really easy to use and was effective in increasing the vigor of my plants.. I have hear about Ful-power and know people swear by it but I don't buy their extraction technology as it is not really clear what they do. The extraction and the denaturation does not make sense to me so if you or anyone else can find something that explains their process I would appreciate it. Want to learn more before I try it..

[Snow Crash]

Originally Posted by squatcrayon

I have tried Dirt M.D., it is a newer product. They were giving out free samples and I got me one of them. It worked for me, really easy to use and was effective in increasing the vigor of my plants.. I have hear about Ful-power and know people swear by it but I don't buy their extraction technology as it is not really clear what they do. The extraction and the denaturation does not make sense to me so if you or anyone else can find something that explains their process I would appreciate it. Want to learn more before I try it..

I picked up a sample bag of that Dirt M.D. at the SF Garden Expo also (maybe 2-4 ounces) and haven't been able to try it yet. I honestly don't think I have enough to make an informed decision either way but I plan to give it a go next round anyway.

I have used a myriad of Humic/Fulvic products over the last few years and haven't really settled yet. I liked FlavorFul from Humboldt nutrients, but it's really dark and contains more than Fulvic. G.O. Diamond Black really let me down, so did Botanicare Fulvex and Organicare Humega. Mad Farmer N.U.T.S. did work fine for me, I saw noticeable results, but I want to continue to experiment and the Bio-Ag Ful-Power is next in line to test based on what I am seeing here.

I am going to contact BioAg and see what they say about the refining process. When I get a response I will let you all know what they do and maybe some insight as to why.

Originally Posted by squatcrayon

I have tried Dirt M.D., it is a newer product. They were giving out free samples and I got me one of them. It worked for me, really easy to use and was effective in increasing the vigor of my plants.. I have hear about Ful-power and know people swear by it but I don't buy their extraction technology as it is not really clear what they do. The extraction and the denaturation does not make sense to me so if you or anyone else can find something that explains their process I would appreciate it. Want to learn more before I try it..

OK so looked at Dirt M.D. stuff and...

Dirt M.D.TM is an activated and solubilized 4.5% Humic Acid product sourced from leonardite and created by novel extraction process. This time-tested formulation has been a market leader in India for the past few decades. The key to Dirt M.D.’s success is its balanced formulation of humic and fulvic acids

...one thing I'll say is at least their claim of humic acid content is reasonable compared to many other companies in the retail market. I don't know how they can claim a 'balanced formulation of humic and fulvic acids' and then not say what their fulvic acid content is. The reason they are not saying what their fulvic acid content is there is currently NO AOAC approved method to determine fulvic acid content!

This thread is in some ways intertwined with this IC Mag thread about the 'best' humic acid product so there's a bit of redundancy:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=238985

After looking a bit more at the Dirt M.D. stuff it rang a bell regarding SumaGrow and wonder if there's a connection and seems to be. Appears the Dirt M.D. stuff is almost the substrate or basis for SumaGrow.

As for BioAg I did visit the company and spend time in person with Dr. Faust. I was working on helping to develop a main stream agriculture product and treaded into humic/fulvic territory.

If you want to see what I'm saying about fulvic acid call A&L Western Agriculture Lab in Cali. I've dealt with them. I've also dealt a lot with Lawrence Mayhew who headed an industry group specifically focused on getting an AOAC approved fulvic acid test method implemented. They should be done by now. I've also spent a lot of time dealing with John Kempf of Advancing Eco-Agriculture who developed Huma-Carb which seems to have some correlations to Dirt M.D. yet Huma-Carb will test well above 20% humic acid, not humic salt, content. If you can separate the humic suspension content in Huma-Carb the resultant liquid is just as gold as Ful-Power Humic from Bio-Ag.

The thing is large scale agriculture peeps determine product efficacy by field testing, plant tissue testing, sap analysis, product quality and yield. Canna growers depend on what they 'think' is happening or what they think they 'see' is happening or what their friends think/see what is happening as most grow on a closet scale and not open acreage and buy into a lot of what retail product companies advertise. There's a world of difference.

[squatcrayon]

When I picked up the sample of Dirt M.D., one of the guys mentioned the FA conc was 2%. They said it was tested by a lab recommended by IHSS (https://www.humicsubstances.org/).
My understanding is the IHSS testing is sort of the gold standard. I think even BioAg's FAQ have mentioned this particular group. The only other humic group I am aware of is the HPTA (https://www.humictrade.org/), this is the industry group associated with humic substance manufacturers.

I am unaware of the AOAC and an industry organization that is trying get the fulvic acid testing standardized.. Do you have some info that I can read up on? I went to the AOAC website and could not find the fulvic testing part.

I am not sure about the SumaGrow and other comparisons but after reading the respective websites, kinda see what you are saying. Sort of a mix bag of things under a title name compared to straight humic/fulvic as advertised/provided by BioAg?

I agree on the Ag/Canna comparison. Large Ag has a lot more tools and money to figure out what is what. That's why we have such forums to help us transfer knowledge along with share experiences to help everyone.

[Bo Hasset]

I've been using BioAg for awhile now and love it, but decided to pick up a small 2 oz. package of dried fulvic acid soluble powder from RAW to just try it out.

Any experiences out there? BioAg Ful-power is the shit, but because its basically water it's so bulky and expensive as well. I'm looking to see if soluble powders can do the same job or better. Thanks!

[Lefthand]

BioAg is great but very expensive to use for root drench, I only use it as a foliar application and ful humix in soil.

Kelp4less fulvic is total crap, plants didn't respond, product smells horrible, I hated mixing it up more than any other product I have used.

I tested by adding it to round up and spraying weeds in rockbed and also spraying a strip without fulvic added. There was no difference between the 2 tests.
Save your money..

[HiFiGanja]

https://micromaxx.ca/fluvic-acid/

They are re bottled by several companies I believe. Same cost as Diamond Nectar.