[gaiusmarius]

shit man, this is ruining our reputation as cannabis users. how can so many people still be getting it wrong?

[Gray Wolf]

I forget which thread, but one of our brain trusts posted on a thread a year or so ago saying, "We all know that you aren't supposed to do it, but we all know that we all do, so if you are going to, here are some of the things that you do.................."

He even defended his position when descended upon from all sides, so I am left to infer that not everyone understands and accepts how dangerous it is, even after being told. Somewhat like the poster recently comparing the admonitions to the Pope warning against premarital sex.

Even if you ignore the clarion cries of eminent danger from old wet rags like me and thee, the question of course that begs an answer, is how they are missing the news articles regarding brothers immolating themselves and even dying.

That of course is in addition to what the growingly pissed off Prosecutors are starting to do when property is destroyed and people maimed or killed.

And the insurance companies that refuse to pay, the civil suits for personal and property damage, as well as wrongful death, and of course personal body damage from immolation.

Lastly, and possibly least to indoor extractors, is that in addition to their own lives and well being, they are making the decision to place others in harms way, without asking their permission. If you asked them what kind of person would do that, what do you imagine their answer would be?

[hush]

how can so many people still be getting it wrong?

I hate to admit it, but I think it's because of the fact that the people who are turning the cannabis scene into a gigantic meth lab are the same ones who would also be out there making meth if they needed to. The ones doing all of this nonsense, making BHO inside while smoking a blunt, are not a part of the cannabis scene. They wouldn't ever think of themselves as part of this community. They are meth heads and crack fiends doing their best to make this harmless plant at least come close to being dangerous and just as much of a "drug" as meth and crack.

I can't fucking stand it anymore. I actually refuse to participate in the high-octane hash oils anymore. All because I now recognize the "dark side" of that world, and in order to keep cannabis, the plant, safe in the eyes of the public, of the world, we have to not let it look like hardcore drugs.

But that's what exactly is happening. BHO is exactly what right wing groups and law enforcement have always wished for.. justification for all the demonizing they've done. "See?! We told you! It's just as bad as meth! It's the demon weed! It's a gateway drug after all! These stoners eventually can't get high off a joint anymore, so they cook the plant up in a meth lab, to create a new, dangerous drug that is now sweeping our streets... Tune in at 6 o'clock headline news for more..."

There are too many stupid people on the planet right now, ruining everything for the remaining minority of us. It's hard to stay optimistic sometimes.

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by hush

I hate to admit it, but I think it's because of the fact that the people who are turning the cannabis scene into a gigantic meth lab are the same ones who would also be out there making meth if they needed to. The ones doing all of this nonsense, making BHO inside while smoking a blunt, are not a part of the cannabis scene. They wouldn't ever think of themselves as part of this community. They are meth heads and crack fiends doing their best to make this harmless plant at least come close to being dangerous and just as much of a "drug" as meth and crack.

I can't fucking stand it anymore. I actually refuse to participate in the high-octane hash oils anymore. All because I now recognize the "dark side" of that world, and in order to keep cannabis, the plant, safe in the eyes of the public, of the world, we have to not let it look like hardcore drugs.

But that's what exactly is happening. BHO is exactly what right wing groups and law enforcement have always wished for.. justification for all the demonizing they've done. "See?! We told you! It's just as bad as meth! It's the demon weed! It's a gateway drug after all! These stoners eventually can't get high off a joint anymore, so they cook the plant up in a meth lab, to create a new, dangerous drug that is now sweeping our streets... Tune in at 6 o'clock headline news for more..."

There are too many stupid people on the planet right now, ruining everything for the remaining minority of us. It's hard to stay optimistic sometimes.

Hard to overstate the damage ignorant or stupid people can do, and I was refreshed to note reading Washington states new regulations for Processors, that they provide for only recycling butane systems.

That shows that someone writing laws was paying attention and was aware of the differences.

What we may never enjoy, is freedom from certifiable idiots and mass media hysteria that sells papers and promotes personal agendas. Who buys newspaper businesses and why, if not to promote their own views?

Originally Posted by gaiusmarius

you were talking about a hood vent. a hood vent will not do the trick, as it will let the room fill up with butane till it's full to the top before it starts extracting it. that is useless.

people using any kind of FLAMMABLE or any SOLVENT for that matter.. should really look into everything about it.. a lot of different shit that u think makes sense.. really doesn't.. loll.. I had a friend that blew bho indoors.. in his sun room.. he would open 4 windows.. put 2 window fans on exhaust.. on high.. and 2 windows on intake on medium..and a window fan that he made fit into the bottom of his screen door.. to drag anything on the ground out.. it was a really cool idea.. and it kept from any contamination in his BHO.. ive seen some DIRTY BHO


another thing to the people who think that BHO is making weed look like hard drugs.. oo COME ON.. the GOVERNMENT did a great job with that making it a schedule 1.. so honestly. the CANNA community is GREAT.. the Illegals growing in Forests and ruining wild life.. and the people stealing electricity to power warehouse grows of semi decent garbage that fuckin is full of bugs and then blowing large amounts of BHO.. and having guns and all sorts of crazy shit.. make the SCENE LLOOOK BAD....

it doesn't matter what we do .. no matter what.. the grrowers.. want to have guns.. to protect themselves.. and the cops don't want us to .. so .. we are bad guys EITHER WAY.. I say just treat people how u wana be treated.. live ur life on the DL and stay safe.. lol people are coming around to the entire canna scene.

[jump /injack]

Hey Gray Wolf, can you post a URL on the Washington law you mentioned:

"Hard to overstate the damage ignorant or stupid people can do, and I was refreshed to note reading Washington states new regulations for Processors, that they provide for only recycling butane systems. That shows that someone writing laws was paying attention and was aware of the differences."

Time to get proactive with my State Legislator and get in front of the curve.

[gaiusmarius]

i'm really glad we made this sticky and want to thank everyone who's participated with news stories etc. if only 1 person decides not to blast inside after seeing this we are ahead of the game.

[jump /injack]

https://www.king5.com/news/crime/Moun...219903071.html

Posted on August 16, 2013 at 6:13 AM

Police say an attempt to extract hash oil from a marijuana plant caused an apartment explosion in Mount Vernon Thursday that sent at least three people to the hospital. Police say the process of extracting oil from marijuana involves mixing parts of the plant with butane gas. It appears a two-liter pop bottle was being filled with butane when Thursday’s explosion happened.

Mount Vernon police say officers arrived to find flames coming from one of the units. The impact of the blast sent glass several feet into the parking lot and walls were forced off their studs.

Lt. Chris Cammock says the injured people drove themselves to Skagit Valley Hospital. Cammock believes a fourth person also checked themselves in later with injuries. None of the injures appear to be life-threatening.
Hash oil explosions are becoming more common according to the U.S. Fire Administration. The agency posted a warning earlier this year to say such incidents were becoming more common.* The process is considered extremely dangerous because of improper butane ventilation

[Funkydslr]

I just wanted to add my story of combustion, it ended in some pretty serious facial and upper body burns, and a pissed off wife. here it goes.

I'm a professional concentrate producer working in the medical cannabis industry here in sourthern california. Everyone starts with humble beginnings so when i first started my business a year ago, i was primarily working out of my kitchen. The process was sound, but i made an enormous mistake one day when i was doing a 4 pound run for a local co-op and they wanted a very quick turn around.

I was getting the pyrex with mostly purged BHO (70%oil 30% liquid tane) ready to go when i decided to remove the 3 gal degassing chamber's lid. I could see the butane haze bubbling over the edge, so i blew across the top of the pot to get rid of it. this was my massive mistake.

As I blew, the butane poured out and across the counter and down the back of the fridge and im guessing across the compressor. With my face still next to the rim of the pot, an enormous fire ball enveloped the whole kitchen (it was a small kitchen) and my face and body. I fucked up once again and in in a panic i tossed the flaming pot into the sink, which in turn splattered oil EVERYWHERE.

The fire alarms for the whole condo complex went off, and i burnt part of my kitchen. It was scary as hell, and i learnt a valuable lesson.

In the end, i lost my eye brows, the front of my hair, my shirt and i had to replace the plexi-glass ceiling that housed lights. Not to mention explaining to the wife what had happened (she was NOT happy lol) and cleaning 240 grams of BHO off the blinds and walls. Then there was explaining to everyone at the collective why i had burns on my face, and lost most of my hair, a good laugh was had by everyone...hah!

Now i produce my concentrates in a laboratory environment and have people doing the extracting for me, i thought i would share my story as a word of caution, i was really very lucky. Sometimes I still have small panic attacks while cooking on the stove still, the fear of being surrounded by fire sticks with you.

Happy extracting everyone!

[Gray Wolf]

Originally Posted by jump /injack

Hey Gray Wolf, can you post a URL on the Washington law you mentioned:

"Hard to overstate the damage ignorant or stupid people can do, and I was refreshed to note reading Washington states new regulations for Processors, that they provide for only recycling butane systems. That shows that someone writing laws was paying attention and was aware of the differences."

Time to get proactive with my State Legislator and get in front of the curve.

I'll see if I can find one. I received a copy from some lawyers who are contracting our assistance on processing. If I can't find a URL, I can e-mail you a copy.