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If you are selecting a strain to use as a male you will want something that compliments your female, in terms of what you are trying to accomplish.
I will site the following fictitious story as an example to help you better understands what I am talking about.
Joe Grow is using the bonsai sultan method to improve and preserve his stock.
Joe has 2 mother strains, one that he uses for production, and the other he uses for his personal smoke.
For example, he originally became interested in breeding because he wanted to preserve his 2 clone strains, primarily one, which he had gotten from Neville’s Seed bank, a strain which you might be familiar with:
He had noticed that it was experiencing some minor genetic drift, which hadn’t affected potency or yield, but it had worried him nonetheless.
Also he had gotten some seed out of some crazy Humboldt county bud purchased directly from the grower in mid September, only 3 little white seeds from a whole.
This “ounce” was a small round nugget broken off of the largest bud he had ever seen, and this “small” nugget actually weighed almost 40 grams, and the single bud it came off of must have weighed well over a pound.
Well 2 of these little seeds had sprouted and they were both male.
He had been toying with the idea of making seed, and this seemed like the perfect opportunity.
he crossed the best male into his two clone samples,
The haze and his other strain, which was the best female for production,
selected out of hundreds of plants from all sources, for its extremely high yielding indoor capacity.
It came from an unknown source, a miscellaneous bag of the kill, but it outperformed all else for yield, with Giant buds and easily made the grade.
He named it simply: The Giant. It had a 70 day budding cycle.
The Giant was his main production strain, wildly outperforming all else he had, and debilitating stony with a creeping high, that took at least ten minutes to hit you.
He then grew seeds of the Humboldt Haze hybrids, and crossed it into the original haze, the original Giant, and a female of the Humboldt Giant.
He kept the best clone for personal smoke, it was the best thing he had ever smoked outside the original Haze.
Satisfied with these seed crosses, He promptly put them on the shelf and forgot about them for several years.
He had accomplished this first goal of preserving his carefully collected and tested strains.
Then a disaster forced him to shut down and he lost all of his clones, which had been the culmination of many years of collecting and testing.
The thing that crushed him was losing that original Haze clone.
You can bet he remembered those seeds pretty quickly.
When after things cooled down, he decided to take it back up again, he had a new goal.
His Goal was simple, KISS simple, he wanted a plant that tasted and smoked like haze, but had the structure of the giant, with the early budding and other dynamite features of the Humboldt.
Joe's own personal quest had started, and the gratification of seeking and finding that perfect strain became an obsession, with rewards that He had not even contemplated.
Lets start with those first two Bonsai seed harvests that Joe grew before his big calamity.
The production plant
gives very heavy plants and looks like an indica, but is in fact a indica/sativa hybrid. It expresses itself as a giant indica.
This plant he labels G (for Giant) for ease of recording.
G is an extremely high yielder that came out of bag seed.
In fact it is far and away the highest yielder Joe has ever seen, which actually says a lot.
It has very stony bud, with a typical indica creeper high, it is devastating and lethargic, it also has immense bag appeal.
It has a 70-day budding cycle.
Joe’s other plant is a Holland Seed bank original, the NL5Xhaze.
This plant he labels H.
For those few who aren’t familiar, H is also an indica sativa hybrid, however it expresses itself primarily as a sativa.
It is also quite high yielding, however it has a 100-day budding cycle.
It has the greatest high Joe has ever experienced.
The high lasts 6 hours, and can be smoked several times a day without building up a tolerance; the high is overwhelmingly trippy and hallucinogenic.
To make a long story short, it is the bomb.
Joe grows a single clone under fluorescent's, and keeps it for his own stash because frankly, now that Joe has tried it, nothing else will suffice.
Even though he smokes it with his friends few acknowledge it, everyone wants the G.
Joe doesn’t really understand this, maybe they are scared.
So he just grows it under a couple of shop lights fluorescent's in a small box, and gets a few zee's per cycle, enough for him and his friends, cause Joe prefers bong hits.
Joe has a couple of goals.
He would love to cross his G with his H, but all he has is clones, and they are female.
So what is he to do?
Well he needs a bridge.
He wants to shorten the budding cycle of both plants, so he needs a fast budding plant.
He wants something that is very stony.
He does several crosses over a period of years but only one comes out solid and stable.
This is a variety from a small Mountain Town called Peyonia, and people call this stuff Peyonia Kind Bud, so he labels it PK.
The buds have bright red hairs are covered in crystals and have a delicate but powerfully sweet and fruity aroma. The high is amazing.
The plants express themselves as short indicas, but due to the flavor and character of the buds,
Joe suspects that there is some sativa hiding somewhere in this strain, possibly Hawaiian, or Colombian.
Whatever the case it is some of the finest connoisseur bud Joe has ever smoked.
Joe had crossed this with the haze, several years ago, and is thinking of using this strain; he has around 40 seeds of it.
But then he scores some weed from a dude up in Humboldt County.
Which changes everything
In the end he decides to use the Humboldt county strain, because it is some of the very stoniest, most potent and clearheaded **** he has ever smoked, and the fact that it was an outdoor and he had purchased it in mid September, stem crackin’ dry and nicely cured.
He crosses this male into both the G and the H.
But wait there is a problem, this stuff is called Humboldt, it also starts with an H, so now,
The H becomes the HZ and the Humboldt becomes the HU, problem solved.
So for the first cross he does, he has one male HU and he crosses into 2 females. HZ and G.
So now he has 2 new strains.
Joe always makes sure that the male is named first when he labels his seeds.
For example he now labels his 2 strains.
HU/HZ and HU/G. For his second seed crop he now has more strains, he of course uses a HU/HZ male and crosses it with everything he has, but for some idiotic reason, he doesn’t pop any of his PK/HZ s,
oh well he is new at this and it just doesn’t occur to him.
So now out of his second seed crop, he chooses a male HU/HZ and crosses it with HZ, G, HU/HZ, HU/G
So now he has the following strains from seed:
HU/HZ and HU/G
and from seed
HU/HZ//HZ , HU/HZ//G , HU/HZ//HU/HZ , HU/HZ//HU/GR
He is primarily interested in the first 2 crosses, HZ/HU//HZ this is ¾ HZ(NL5XHAZE) in case you didn’t notice. Of course in addition to recording this on the seed packs he is also recording it in his notebook.
Now he has a starting point.
He has something that is 75%Haze (NL5XHaze) and 25% Humboldt County,
and he also has something that is 25% Haze and 25% Humboldt County, and 50% Giant Indica
I will continue this story later.
For now let’s get back to the Bonsai Sultan Method.
Joe Grow has a bonsai breeding setup like the one outlined above with 2 growing chambers, each one powered by one standard double fixture four foot shoplights fluorescent light.
For starters he just had 3 clones of HZ and 3 clones of G and he had two plants of Humboldt from seeds, He was hoping for a male and a female from these seeds, but all he got was 2 males, one was far superior, so he kept that one (more on selecting males later), and destroyed the other.
For all of this he only used one of his chambers. He could have used much more clones if he wanted, then he would have gotten much more seeds, but alas he used just 3 of each. For the purposes of breeding, 3 clones of the same strain still equal one plant, and there is no need to differentiate, IE, all seeds from 3 identical clones can be stored in the same pack.
Now keep in mind that in his main grow room, he is growing a crop of G, in the normal fashion, he also has a cloning chamber/veg room, and a small chamber, where he grows haze.
He starts the plants in 2-inch containers and keeps them root bound in 2-inch containers for around a month or longer.
He waits until his main all seedless harvest of G plants are 2 weeks from harvest, then he puts his seedlings on budding, this way by the time he harvests his G, the males will almost be starting to release their pollen, and they won’t affect his All female harvest of G clones.
Also the male he selects is of course, root bound in a 2-inch container, and he leaves it in the 2-inch container.
Once the male flowers are fully formed but have not yet released pollen the male is trimmed down to just a couple of dominant branches and the trimmings are baked in the oven at 300 for 30 minutes, insuring that all the pollen is destroyed.
The remaining branches that have pollen will open in a couple of days. Once the flowers start to open, this male in a 2-inch container will be used like a magic paintbrush, and Joe will paint all of his bonsai females with this male, lightly brushing all the females, with the male.
He will do this every day until the male has released most of its pollen (around a week or 2), then he will destroy the male in the oven. He worries a bit about his haze female he is growing for his head because it is a long way from finished, and doesn't want it to get seeded.
But he finds to his relief, because it is in a different room, and the male is so small, he finds that his precious haze stash doesn’t even have a single seed. Of course he always wears different clothes, and washes up well, after handling the male.
When he puts the seed plants on budding, he transfers his clones from 2 inch to 4-inch containers, because he has the space. If he didn’t have the space he would have put them in to 3-inch containers or not transplanted them at all.
If he had any females from seed he would have transplanted them as well. When he transplants, he breaks up the root ball using a sharp knife.
He cuts the root ball on all four sides by making 2 incisions going down through the bottom and then up to the other side; the cut should be ½ to 1 inch deep.
He uses an exacto knife to make sure the cut is not too deep, but any knife will do as long as he is careful, and sterilizes and does not cut too deep.
He starts fertilizing with a ½ grow solution when the plants reach their 4th or 5th leaf set. He switches to a bloom fertilizer at full strength when he switches the light cycle to 12.
His second seed crop is more interesting, he plants 40 seeds of the HU/HZ and 10 seeds of the HU/G and keeps 10 clones of the HZ and 10 clones of the G.
As always, which is a prerequisite of the bonsai method, he starts both clones and seeds in 2-inch pots, with a 24-hour light cycle.
(I recommend 24-hour light cycle for all vegetative growth especially in the bonsai chambers.)
After 5 weeks again the timing is appropriate as he is 2 weeks away from harvest in his main flowering room.
After about a week and a half the bonsais start showing sex.
He is keeping 2 males of the HU/HZ, that are clearly heads above the rest, he was having trouble choosing a favorite between 2 so he just kept them both.
He winds up with 29 females and kills all males except the 2 he will use.
Up until now all plants have been vegging in just one of the chambers.
But now he is left with 50 plants, He decides to use both chambers and transplant everything into 4-inch containers.
He could flower a maximum of 72 plants in 4-inch containers, using both chambers. If he would have more than that, he would use 3-inch containers for transplant, but in fact he could just leave them in 2-inch containers if he had to.
He flowers out the plants successfully on 12-hour light cycle. He winds up with just a couple of grams off of each plant, and anywhere from 20 or 30 seeds to as many as 100 seeds per plant.
He uses old fashioned t12 fat, cool white shop fluorescents, because these stay cool enough where the plants can grow straight up into the lights so they are even touching the bulbs.
He tries to find a style of stoplights where there is as much space between the 2 bulbs as possible.
After he has been painting his females with his male, for around a week or 2, he bakes his male in the oven, to insure that it won't keep throwing pollen.
His plants are starting to flower and produce seeds. He is fertilizing them full on with bloom.
When the seeds are mature, it is time to harvest the buds.
When he harvests the tiny little bonsai plants, he makes sure to leave the little bottom shoots that he had saved when he was pruning (more on this later), and he harvests the main stem, at those shoots, leaving those little bottom shoots, for regeneration.
When he harvests the little plants he places the whole plant with stem minus fan leaves, into an individual paper post envelope, standard letter, or 8X11, depending on size of bonsai, writing the abbreviated name (in pencil) on the envelope.
Of course, the main thing you select a male for is by its genes. So before you even plant the seeds you know which strain, or seed stock you are going to select your male from.
When you select males from among that preselected stock, you are primarily looking for 3 features, and it is not arbitrary crap you read about somewhere, like stem thickness.
It is something you can measure and record. Here they are in order of importance:
1) High Factor: You want it to be stony, however you like it.
With the male you can't be too choosy because you will be smoking leaf.
You will test it for stoniness, by finding small veg leaves, 1 ½ inch diameter leaves, and dry them out. Make sure that the leaf samples to be tested are the exact same size(leaf stoniness varies according to size of leaf).
Then first thing in the morning right when you wake up, wake and bake.
Take 2 dried leaves pack them in a bong first thing in the morning right when you wake up, and take the single biggest hit you can and hold, and hold it for as long as possible, exhale,
wait a few minutes and then rate on a scale from 1 to 10.
Only one bong hit per test, and only test one sample each day, right when you wake up.
Do this a couple times with each sample, if you have time.
You will be surprised what a variation you will find, and if you smoke right when you wake up and you have a superior strain, you will also be surprised by how high you will get.
Note: if you can finish the bong then you need to use more leaves. There should be enough material in the bong that you can't finish all of it.
2) Vigor and Form:
This is just like a female.
You know that plant; the one you are just praying will be a female? Well when it turns out to be a male, you select that one, provided the leaf is good and stony.
3) Length of budding cycle:
Usually, the earlier flowering males are more desirous,
because generally people prefer a shorter budding cycle.
These are the three factors that can easily be isolated and measured,
and these are the only three factors that you consider when selecting males for the bonsai sultan method.
Keep it KISS simple and you are bound to come up with a winner.
Pruning your bonsai's:
Generally, you can let your bonsai's grow naturally and don't prune them at all in veg.
Just let them grow strait up into the shop lights.
Once they start budding, you can prune any of the side branches that don't make it up to the lights, but make sure that you leave the first 2 sets of branches at the bottom, but you can prune the bottom branches down to their 2nd leaf sets.
It is very important that you keep these low branches, because you will be regenerating your plants, and you will be clipping your plants down when you regenerate them and they regenerate best from these lower branches.
Generally you should do all the pruning at once,
a couple weeks after you transplant and switch light cycle to 12 hours,
when they are showing sex, then you can eliminate males and prune females at the same time.
Prune the males as you start testing them for potency.
Remember, you will prune the Keeper(s) a second time when the male flowers are fully formed, just before they open.
Last edited by DamnUglyDogE; 06-18-2013 at 08:46 AM..