[GP73LPC]

school me please

what's up with VG and PG?

both are supposedly safe for human consumption, but some people have issues. what are those?

i am planning on making a tincture in the future. most recipes call for VG or PG or both in certain percentages.

is this more of a tincture vs. pure oil argument?


thanks

[ZoSo]

Some people are allergic to pg. Cats are too so don't blow it in their face. In the e-cig world some people use VG due to allergies but also due to better vapor production. A 50/50 mix is a good compromise between flavor and vapor. 100% VG can taste pretty bad if you're not accustomed to it. I have no experience with this stuff in the cannabis realm tho so my knowledge stops there.

[GP73LPC]

thanks ZoSo, you've increased my knowledge...

btw, i have seen recipes calling for 70/30 PG/VG mix. so PG tastes better, but VG vapes better. cool, i have some DIY flavoring, VG and PG in route. gonna play around a bit with slightly different mixes and see what works best for me and my new vape pen.

anyone else have anything to add?

[ronbo51]

For e liquids 70/30 pg to vg ratio seems to work. Add 7% everclear pure grain alcohol. it sands off the higher notes in the flavor profiles. Most flavors do best in the 15-20% range. E Cig forums will direct you to calculators to make flavors.The Perfumers Apprentice sells good flavors. For vaping cannabis I use all vg and the alcohol is 7% but I use green dragon concoction. Fill canning jars with good weed and top off with vg. Pressure cook at 250 for 30 minutes. Use a tank ecig system and vape anywhere anytime. Essential Depot sells PG VG. PG tastes like shit. But it works for eliquids. Food industry puts PG into everything. It enhances flavor but doesn't taste good by itself.

[GP73LPC]

Originally Posted by ronbo51

For e liquids 70/30 pg to vg ratio seems to work. Add 7% everclear pure grain alcohol. it sands off the higher notes in the flavor profiles. Most flavors do best in the 15-20% range. E Cig forums will direct you to calculators to make flavors.The Perfumers Apprentice sells good flavors. For vaping cannabis I use all vg and the alcohol is 7% but I use green dragon concoction. Fill canning jars with good weed and top off with vg. Pressure cook at 250 for 30 minutes. Use a tank ecig system and vape anywhere anytime. Essential Depot sells PG VG. PG tastes like shit. But it works for eliquids. Food industry puts PG into everything. It enhances flavor but doesn't taste good by itself.

thanks for the info ronbo

i haven't heard of your system. pressure cooking the jars after the weed, VG and everclear, correct?

and use a tank, got it...

why straight VG for cannabis? taste?


anyway, here is a recipe i found for a vanilla carmel e-liquid

Vanilla Caramel - 0mg nicotine
1.7ml PG
0.7ml VG
0.3ml Lorann Bavarian Creme
0.3ml Lorann Caramel

i have two different brand vanilla and carmel flavorings in route, but if i were to concoct this creation and add weed, would you go str8 VG?

i also have some whiskey flavoring coming. i smoke some little cigars from CAO called Moontrance (bourbon vanilla). nice tasting and smelling cigars. the ladies compliment me all the time believe it or not.

anyway, i hope to capture a little of that taste and smell to cover the weed smell, then vape away where ever i am

[ronbo51]

Since vaping does not achieve high temperatures pressure cooking decarboxylates the THCV and it makes the trichomes weak and sluff off their attatchment points on the leaf.VG tinctures taste pretty good I think. PG works good with nicotine, and even 0 nic e liquids benefit from PG as a flavor enhancer but it is useless in tincture. And Essential Depot VG is non GMO, lab and food quality, other companies are probably just as good. By using a green dragon type mix as your alcohol component you are bumping up the available trichomes in the tincture without going through the trouble of making BHO or some other concentrate.
Here is a 10 ml bottle taken off my recipe calculator: 70-30 PG VG 7% alcohol-19% flavor-
PG= 4.89 ml or 161 drops
Alcohol= 7 drops
VG=3.00 ml or 99 drops
Flavor=!9% or 63 drops
In your recipe you can equally divide the flavor component or give one an advantage. Caramel vanilla sounds right at 50/50, maybe lean more vanilla. Also you should buy some "cotton candy" flavor. It is methyl alto and is used to give a touch of sweetnesss and flavor buffering. 1 or two drops /10ml is enough. Almost all e liquids contain cotton candy.

[GP73LPC]

Originally Posted by ronbo51

Since vaping does not achieve high temperatures pressure cooking decarboxylates the THCV and it makes the trichomes weak and sluff off their attatchment points on the leaf.VG tinctures taste pretty good I think. PG works good with nicotine, and even 0 nic e liquids benefit from PG as a flavor enhancer but it is useless in tincture. And Essential Depot VG is non GMO, lab and food quality, other companies are probably just as good. By using a green dragon type mix as your alcohol component you are bumping up the available trichomes in the tincture without going through the trouble of making BHO or some other concentrate.
Here is a 10 ml bottle taken off my recipe calculator: 70-30 PG VG 7% alcohol-19% flavor-
PG= 4.89 ml or 161 drops
Alcohol= 7 drops
VG=3.00 ml or 99 drops
Flavor=!9% or 63 drops
In your recipe you can equally divide the flavor component or give one an advantage. Caramel vanilla sounds right at 50/50, maybe lean more vanilla. Also you should buy some "cotton candy" flavor. It is methyl alto and is used to give a touch of sweetnesss and flavor buffering. 1 or two drops /10ml is enough. Almost all e liquids contain cotton candy.

cool. i will add you recipe into my list and hold onto your method, might just use it. sounds safer than a double boiler and exposed alcohol method. sounds quicker than a 90-120 cold process decarboxylation.

so does the alcohol go in before you started to pressure cook or after.

i got this method from krunch's thread on this site. he adds flavoring and alcohol after decarboxylation. so just to confirm all your stuff goes in the jar prior to pressure cooking, correct?

Krunch, We have been doing e cig vapes for a while now. They are the coolest
fucking thing since sliced bread. You can hit it anywhere in public, even in
non med states. We have sat at the beach bar right next to folks all of us vaping.
You need to make a glycerin tincture and infuse it with concentrates. I just take
bud and decarboxylize it, then put in canning jars and cover with vegetable
glycerin. You have to let the glycerin sit for a while to get the trichomes to
slough off. When you actually make the vape liquid it helps to cut the glycerin
with alcohol because glycerin is so thick. I make green dragon and cut the VG
with that. At the end of the process you add your concentrate. You could bypass
the whole process by just adding concentrate to VG. You could make gallons easy.
I buy VG 2 gallons at a time for 50 bucks from Essential Depot.com. Food grade
Kosher. Enjoy. This is the future of medicating, no doubt.

[GP73LPC]

just checked tracking, my new vape pen will be in today.

[GP73LPC]

allright, got my vaporzone ego-c w/ce4+ clearomizers.

this thing is really slick. i could have really used one of these back in the day before i quit smoking cigs

i, of course, got some 0 nicotine e-liquids, as my goal is not to medicate myself with nicotine, but with thc

just as soon as i harvest i can start creating tinctures and then later some hash oil.

[GP73LPC]

i just made my first e-liquid and i have to say, not bad...

i have created a bourbon vanilla flavor.

2 ml VG
2 ml PG
.5 ml Whiskey flavor
.5 ml Vanilla flavor
14 drops of vodka (i don't keep everclear on hand )

i cannot wait to infuse cannabis in this mix !!!

i will be getting high as a kite everywhere i go