[growhi]

iv tried doing a search but have not really found the info i wanted !!

id just like to know breeders opinions on this , can you select a female from seeded bud material ??

is the smell as distinct when seeded ?/ can you still highlight resin production differences

with the end product been seeded ? , will the bud still show the same difference in flavor, high, ect, that it would if it was sensi bud ?

i basically ask because im doing a open pollination with dj's f13 (if i get a viable male )

and id just like to know if i could select straight from seeeded or would i have to give each female clone another run unseeded to truely be able to make a informed selection ?

any opinions would be great

[PWF]

consider the fact that cannabis will express differently just from a change of climate. or a change in nutrients can alter expression. ime seeded bud is pretty much the same as sensi except for amount of smokeable material. it also matters how heavily and at what point of bloom the flowers are pollinated. as for if you CAN select from seeded bud, my reply would be that your question only raises more questions. have you seen the seededbuds whole plant structure prior? what are YOUR prerequisites for your selection criteria? high-type, growth structure, flowering time and aroma/taste are some of my prerequisites. if you are selecting for flower time and plant structure and haven't seen the plant growing in veg or bloom then you would be at a disadvantage. if youre going for hightype then you would have a better idea if it is what you want. growing a plant to its optimum expression takes more than one bloom ime. pop the seeds and just look at the results without preconception of what you expect. that means lose bias. removing bias kind of contradicts selection but you can't select accurately until you have evaluated a plant for all its qualities.
hope this helps a little.
peace,
pwf

[growhi]

well im selecting purely for high really ....................... thats what f13 is about . that clear headed bell ringing high and plus i have to be a realist on plant numbers, so i do have limitations

and no i have pollinated branches but never hole plant !!



i just suppose in a ideal world id be able to kill to birds with one stone and make the f2s and select a keeper female all in on grow !!

thanks for your input

[HidingInTheHaze]

If fully seeded Im going to say no.

I ran the same clone twice, once non seeded and once it hermed and fully seeded itself. Seedless it was one of my favorite plants tasted great and smelled like vanilla baked goods, fully seeded it tasted like garbage and smelled like burnt wood when smoked, both times grown exactly the same.

I don't believe a fully seeded plant contains as much psychoactive material as it would it if was non seeded because much of the bract is occupied by seed.

I believe to make a worthwhile cross selections should be done first, then grown for seed.

I never make seed with anything I haven't grown a few times but my goals might be different than yours.

The quickest route would probably be to have 2 of each female, grow one sensi and one seeded, then you can do your selections and seeding in one harvest.

[oceangrownkush]

I didn't understand the question at first, but yeah no way dude. Don't even segregate them with such low numbers, I mean maybe seperate the seeds but thats it. You'll have to grow out the females from the seeds sensi style to get a good idea of the traits the mothers carried. If you can keep clones for a 2nd run of the first generation females then do that to get a good idea.. F13 is pretty inbred dude there shouldn't be a ton of variation, plus you are selecting from such low numbers I'd say just run the seeds and select from that greater pool..

Good luck.

[FirstTracks]

Why not just go with the 'seed a small clone' or 'pollinate one branch under a paper bag' routine unless you're going for the maximum number of seeds? You can easily get 50+ seeds of a 4" bud with most gear.

[growhi]

Originally Posted by HidingInTheHaze

If fully seeded Im going to say no.

I ran the same clone twice, once non seeded and once it hermed and fully seeded itself. Seedless it was one of my favorite plants tasted great and smelled like vanilla baked goods, fully seeded it tasted like garbage and smelled like burnt wood when smoked, both times grown exactly the same.

I don't believe a fully seeded plant contains as much psychoactive material as it would it if was non seeded because much of the bract is occupied by seed.

I believe to make a worthwhile cross selections should be done first, then grown for seed.

I never make seed with anything I haven't grown a few times but my goals might be different than yours.

The quickest route would probably be to have 2 of each female, grow one sensi and one seeded, then you can do your selections and seeding in one harvest.

yeah thats the sort of feedback i was looking for breeders who had compared the sensi/seeded

just thought was worth a shot seen as they would all be seeded, and so would all be lessened by seed production

Originally Posted by oceangrownkush

I didn't understand the question at first, but yeah no way dude. Don't even segregate them with such low numbers, I mean maybe seperate the seeds but thats it. You'll have to grow out the females from the seeds sensi style to get a good idea of the traits the mothers carried. If you can keep clones for a 2nd run of the first generation females then do that to get a good idea.. F13 is pretty inbred dude there shouldn't be a ton of variation, plus you are selecting from such low numbers I'd say just run the seeds and select from that greater pool..

Good luck.

good advice that i think you might be right !!
in going to have hundreds of seeds to hunt through so why stress about it !!

i will still post my findings though , to see if you really can highlight much difference in high between equally seeded buds

[growhi]

Originally Posted by FirstTracks

Why not just go with the 'seed a small clone' or 'pollinate one branch under a paper bag' routine unless you're going for the maximum number of seeds? You can easily get 50+ seeds of a 4" bud with most gear.

well idea is because its summer here , and cant use high output lights , which in turn means less that high grade,i thought i would make a ton of f2's to hunt through over the coming years

the jars are full so in free to play around a bit with some pollen chucking

[sprinkl]

What about this. Open pollinate but put plastic or paper bags over the top buds when you introduce the male? You might want to spray everything with water as well before removing the bag if you want to be really sure.
That way you could judge the quality by the top bud and still have tons of seed.

[growhi]

Originally Posted by TomHill

in my experience, yes, you can select for those traits in seeded bud, in fact farmers have done it for thousands of years and it's called mass selection. You would however get into trouble with other traits, earliness and yield would be two examples.

thanks tom that was pretty much my logic behind it, but without seeding hole plants before i wasn't sure that the differences in smell , high ect would be as distinct and noticable when the plant was seeded

good to see ya back