[Julian]

Well......as it was indeed sealed, and proper filtration, the dissection of it, is that it must not have been (sealed) It was btw (textbook ECSD from everything I have ever seen, Chems, OG's also (Larry and some others, etc)

I dont think fenced will be considered "enclosed". ("Enclosed and locked" aspect.) We'll see. Depending on location, I don't think I would prefer public visibility, and certainly would desire not visible from the air for various reasons . We'll see.

Saw Bronx before, certain not taken offsite. Again, a lot strain dependent (odor). The above case?, yes, was the ultimate stank Was escaping somewhere...(concrete comment was from a third party....was very amusing to her therm state such )

[Bababooey]

Right on, Julian. I know Rezdog used to brag that the smell of his SDIBL could not be contained by concrete walls.
There was an article in High times from a bronx grower that might have been the one busted. The grower said he had a room just for odor control, which i think is common for these large indoor grows, a room just for air exchange/filtration.
I saw the Inside Man on CNN by Morgan Spurlock on mmj in Cali, he was taken to a warehouse grow (blindfolded). He saw a 50K room, and a separate room where the ballasts and ventilation/filters were lined up on the floor. Easier than hanging them i suppose.

Do you have any thoughts on the use of pesticides/fungicides on the plants, and what a provider's ethical and/or legal obligation is in disclosing what pesticides/fungicides have been used on the product to the consumer?
If for example you use only organic/'natural' pest and mold control, and organic nutes, you can call your product organic, even vegan if you went that route.

But when pest/mold issues become serious and require heavy duty chemical intervention, is it safe to use chemicals that are approved for fruits/vegetables, or do we need to use chemicals specifically approved for use on smoked plants (ie tobacco)?

Its not like at a grocery store they label what chemicals have been used on the fruits and vegetables i buy; heck, even the ones labeled organic may been been sprayed with some gnarly chemicals at some point.

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Bababooey

Right on, Julian. I know Rezdog used to brag that the smell of his SDIBL could not be contained by concrete walls.

Well, the situation above and exchange was during a large hang/dry period also, and, I myself was surprised by the stank outside ....(interestingly enough, if we revisit the basics of packaging, it is indeed the case that everything is porous to a degree (including steel and concrete), and OTR's (Oxygen transmission rates). The flow of water a good example. Water will seek any path possible to pass through the same (and does)

Yeah......thy were scratching their head saying "must be seeping through the walls".......

I saw the Inside Man on CNN by Morgan Spurlock on mmj in Cali, he was taken to a warehouse grow (blindfolded). He saw a 50K room, and a separate room where the ballasts and ventilation/filters were lined up on the floor. Easier than hanging them i suppose.

No,No,No...where he was walking was the roof of the constructed room....all were mounted on the roof, and he was walking on the roof of the room.

On a different note, that was quite the underperforming op. They could have easily had double, if not triple on those tables. I was surprised actually how empty those tables/rooms were given the footprint. (I did note the current state, and allowed for "filling in", and, o...there was far too much empty space given the methods and operation(s)...)

Do you have any thoughts on the use of pesticides/fungicides on the plants, and what a provider's ethical and/or legal obligation is in disclosing what pesticides/fungicides have been used on the product to the consumer?

If for example you use only organic/'natural' pest and mold control, and organic nutes, you can call your product organic, even vegan if you went that route.

But when pest/mold issues become serious and require heavy duty chemical intervention, is it safe to use chemicals that are approved for fruits/vegetables, or do we need to use chemicals specifically approved for use on smoked plants (ie tobacco)?

Its not like at a grocery store they label what chemicals have been used on the fruits and vegetables i buy; heck, even the ones labeled organic may been been sprayed with some gnarly chemicals at some point.

A much more expansive topic...I think many operational issues can prevent such in the first place (especially in), and, do know many use such, and do know many do not disclose such, and in these endeavors, as is the case with all, it brings a wide variety of operators, with a equally wide variety of morals and ethics....(not to mention professional standards)..and, on a different, but related note, when addressing a limited number of cultivation centers, supply, demand and pricing issues, I think such will come into play. (The quality and standards of one operation making their product immeasurably more desirable than others, combined with production capacity, volume, and schedules of availability, etc.) 22 not a large number for an entire state, much less one with the potential patient counts.

I myself, due to events of late, and direction(s), have much more of a focus and pride on product quality than ever before. I always have, but lately, especially in true "professional" capacity, have found standards and pride reach an entirely new level. I dont think all see it in such a way, and know for a fact many do not. (I can in some ways understand...one gets overwhelmed by operation(s) management and day to day matters and their focus on so many different aspects of a operation...as I am sure is the case in many situations, in various industries and endeavors, but, in the end?.....it is indeed all about the quality of one's product/services. I do know the last with my "fingerprints" on it found a higher level of feedback from a wider audience than I have ever had, and it did mean(s) so much to me....many stating finest work I have ever done (30+/- yrs......best work they have ever seen....really moved me....

Illinois does call for IL. Dept. of Agriculture approval of all cultivation operations plans, so, I think this will find the above addressed, as well as potential inspection(s) by the same, etc.

[Bababooey]

Originally Posted by Julian

No,No,No...where he was walking was the roof of the constructed room....all were mounted on the roof, and he was walking on the roof of the room.

On a different note, that was quite the underperforming op. They could have easily had double, if not triple on those tables. I was surprised actually how empty those tables/rooms were given the footprint. (I did note the current state, and allowed for "filling in", and, o...there was far too much empty space given the methods and operation(s)...)

A much more expansive topic...I think many operational issues can prevent such in the first place (especially in), and, do know many use such, and do know many do not disclose such, and in these endeavors, as is the case with all, it brings a wide variety of operators, with a equally wide variety of morals and ethics....(not to mention professional standards)..and, on a different, but related note, when addressing a limited number of cultivation centers, supply, demand and pricing issues, I think such will come into play. (The quality and standards of one operation making their product immeasurably more desirable than others, combined with production capacity, volume, and schedules of availability, etc.) 22 not a large number for an entire state, much less one with the potential patient counts.

I myself, due to events of late, and direction(s), have much more of a focus and pride on product quality than ever before. I always have, but lately, especially in true "professional" capacity, have found standards and pride reach an entirely new level. I dont think all see it in such a way, and know for a fact many do not. (I can in some ways understand...one gets overwhelmed by operation(s) management and day to day matters and their focus on so many different aspects of a operation...as I am sure is the case in many situations, in various industries and endeavors, but, in the end?.....it is indeed all about the quality of one's product/services. I do know the last with my "fingerprints" on it found a higher level of feedback from a wider audience than I have ever had, and it did mean(s) so much to me....many stating finest work I have ever done (30+/- yrs......best work they have ever seen....really moved me....

Illinois does call for IL. Dept. of Agriculture approval of all cultivation operations plans, so, I think this will find the above addressed, as well as potential inspection(s) by the same, etc.

Must have turned away from that part when they showed the ballasts and ventilation, didn't know they were on top of the grow room. That was one solid roof to hold all that equipment, but if the warehouse was divided into levels then all they would need to do would be to cut some holes between the floors to pass wires and ducting through. Not that that's easy either, but easier than building floors from scratch...

I agree, the vegging plants in there didn't look all that robust. Plants were what, 2 ft fall, with scraggly leaf coverage, not lush or full at all. Almost sickly looking, with dropping leaves. Maybe it was the strain, but lots of wasted canopy under those 50K worth of lights. I'm sure if they vegged out properly they would fill up that room nicely. Maybe they only ran 20-25K lights until the canopy filled out?

Ideally, no one wants to use powerful chems with toxic/carcinogenic warning labels on their crops, but when the powdery mildew, or spider mites, or root aphids, or even fungus gnats start peeping their heads, and within days spread like wildfire, then its a choice of use any measures necessary or lose this crop and probably your shirt as well.

Im not sure if the Dept of Agri will specify what pesticides/fungicides are approved for use on cannabis. Theres an IL Pesticide Act that governs use/sale of pesticides and also issues licenses for Pesticide Applicator/Operator. So pretty much they acknowledge that pesticides are necessary in modern agriculture they just want to make sure you use it correctly (prevent runoff, overuse, etc).

[hamstring]

Great discussion guys.

I don't see this bill getting a bunch of news time in my neck of the woods. Everything seems to have fallen silent lately.
Has anyone seen a concerted effort from the pro mj lobby ?

I googled it and nothing new since May 28th not sure if this is good or bad news. Maybe keeping this out of the mainstream news will help its efforts. A article in Huffington post seem to think quin was going to sign the pilot program.

[Bababooey]

Well, ccw got passed, licenses will start to be issued in 2014...
When is the mother effin mmj bill going to be passed??? Cmon Quinn, we all know you're a dead man walking, just sign the damn thing already...

[Julian]

Originally Posted by Bababooey

Well, ccw got passed, licenses will start to be issued in 2014...
When is the mother effin mmj bill going to be passed??? Cmon Quinn, we all know you're a dead man walking, just sign the damn thing already...

Thanks for note on the CCW....need to complete my collection .....

Not yet..... .....I still need about 23 more days before passes .....

[hamstring]

ccw passing is great news. I know Quinn tired to veto the bill to add a bunch of stipulations but the general assembly overrode the veto.

One less thing on his plate but I am betting he still wants to get pension reform done before he gets to the pilot program bill.

I cant see him muddying up the water with anything else before pension reform. Actually pension reform may make him more of a dead duck if he gets anything through. I personally think it will help our chances of passing the pilot program.

[Bababooey]

Pension reform is much needed in IL, although as always the working class stiff who worked a govt job, expecting a pension, is going to get screwed.
Id be worried about the federal sentencing enhancements for carrying a firearm during a drug crime. They can stack that isht and send people away for decades just for the firearm part alone.
The mmj bill requires security around cultivation centers and dispensaries, but will the rules, when they are set forth by the various depts, say anything about armed security? I dont think other states specifically say security has to be armed, and from limited experience, security at such places are not visibly armed.

[hamstring]

I cant say with any conviction but if the grow location is on private property I would assume, like the ccw rule calls out, its up to the property owner whether or not guns can be carried. That address the state side of your statement but of course it doesn't address the more important federal side.

Since the ccw came out before the med MJ I wounder if they will take the time to incorporate some type of standards for this? What are the rules in all other med sates for concealed carry at a grow site??

If TV is any judge, which I know it isn't, I have seen guns at grow locations on "weed wars" before.

My own personal opinion is that much like you mentioned guns and weed can rack up some pretty long jail time.