[Only Ornamental]

Doesn't look too bad...

Rudaralis also has low THC and high CBD. just to a casual observer, a rudi crossed to a hemp plant seems like the best coupling on paper anyway. I also am one that gets no relief from chronic pain from smoking any of the so called high cbd strains the marketers are trying to get you to buy, I suspect the oil is a better vehicle for absorption for some reason in your body, again, JMHE. Also, those saying the hemp oil is illegal, its legal in all 50 because of no THC, I also wonder why many more don't try it. I've heard the marketers complain about everything from Chinese hemp to the industrial hemp process, which apparenlty mimics the cotton gin process, aka basically smash the whole plant and glean the juice from it. I always thought Rick Simpson said whole plant, not just flowers. I suspect the oil from flowers theory is from the same folks selling high cbd strain cuts or seeds. Again, JMHO. Im also readin info saying that .3% threshold used or mentioned, is not necessarily from a medical standpoint, something about it being a legal thing, not sure on understanding it all yet.

[Stdane]

I dunno where you get these high numbers in CDB in industrial hemp.One of my friends old man is a farmer with license to grow 14 acres of hemp and as he said the first year government people showed up all trough the grow to test and check for irregularities. When tested the thc was between 1000 -3000ppm or 0.1 - 0.3% thc and 2500-7000ppm or 0.2 - 0.7% cbd, maybe there are hemp strains with more cbd,but we're talking about 100.000 - 150.000ppm or 10 - 15% cbd and this you cant obtain by crossing hemps with auto's or vice versa. No, if we are gonna get up where it matters for the sick we'll have to find cannabis strains with naturally high percentages of cbd and breed for that trait.

I saw in Sanjay Gupta's Weed a little girl no more than 3 yrs old with aggressive epilepsia with 100 seizures a day getting a medicine in Colorado with 17.61% cbd,and became virtually seizure free, but when she arrived back in New Jersey where they lived,they couldn't get any cbd-oil,but just pot, the parents had to made into oil themselves with only 5.5% cbd,almost needless to say that this relative low cbd couldn't stop her seizures and they were forced to move to Colorado, where they could be fairly sure of a steady supply of high percentages cbd and its so heart warming to see this little girl slowly getting a life without pain.

Ok Another thing if you're gonna breed for a higher cbd,how do you go about it without your own gaschromotograph-device,I can just see it for me, hmm this plant is really weak in potency so it must be good in the cbd-department, nah I'll guess it would be kind of a long shot go about it this way lol!

[Only Ornamental]

@BadPenny:
'Ruderalis' is just hemp gone wild .

@Stdane:
It's simple, THC tests for regulatory purposes use IIRC the upper third of field grown plants (Dr. Callaway @ Finola.fi explains it in detail in one of the PDFs you can download from his page) whereas 'cannabis labs' test indoor grown and manicured sinsemilla flower clusters .
Furthermore, Finola for example has to be tested in mid flower whereas 'buds' are harvested 'after they fatten up'.
This explains how the same plant can have 0.5% or 5% CBD. Certainly, such a plant won't give 15% CBD (which seems like a single trait but in fact involves a whole bunch of genes).
Many 'autos' are hybrids with hemp; because a single cross doesn't do the trick, as you pointed out, a lot of back-crossing to the high cannabinoid drug type is needed. In this regard, breeding new high-% CBD strains is easier than creating a high THC auto because for the former, one may also use CBD chemotypes of drug type cannabis instead of hemp (you said that too, I know). But who says that it's CBD and only CBD that works? Maybe Gupta, but he's only a brain surgeon, not a pharmacologist or the like.

There are more things than GC out there .

In most European countries, legally growing CBD-rich hemp is a problem because of the THC limit. The CBDA-synthase has the unfortunate habit of giving rise to 5-10% THC with regard to CBD. Any high CBD strain is therefore doomed by nature to fail that stupid low THC law. Either go to a country with free drug type cannabis allowed or Switzerland which allows 1% THC and in other words 10-20% CBD (though getting a licence is harder than climbing across their Alps).

just a point to ponder, per the lil gal in CO, she is supposedly having seizures again. And is there really deposits to be paid for the waiting list per the Stanleys, plus the dosage fee? Is it really as high as $1K? It also bothers me there is more likes on the Stanley Bros fb page than Charlottes, I would maybe figure the compassion would run longer than the bucks...?!

If her seizures have come back, I wonder if Charlotte ever tried the legal hemp oil?

[oldchuck]

You are right about the testing, Stdane. To this point I have been guessing. Hopefully that will change by the end of this week. Counting the days.

OO knows the genetics and I go by what works for me. I have a strong feeling that there is a pretty wide range of CBD that will work, at least in the case of epileptic seizures. My seizure types and incidence are no where near as bad as those kids you see on the videos so, logically, a lower dose CBD could easily benefit me. Also there is the issue of concentration. Sure wish I could test that.

Anyway, still a lot to learn but I'm thinking a good F1 cross between a stable hemp variety and a stable high THC variety is best for quick results. Keep the stable seeds going and toss out any F1 seeds that show up.

[JVWZ]

The Herbal Gardens in Tacoma WA does testing for only 50 dollars. Its a hot test so it differs from analytical 360 and other liquid cold tests because we decarboxylate it and tell you what exactly you are getting when you smoke it.

Do you test for G1, G2, B1 and B2? I thought 360 was the only certified one so far? Good on you if you got certified, that means a lot.

Originally Posted by JVWZ

The Herbal Gardens in Tacoma WA does testing for only 50 dollars. Its a hot test so it differs from analytical 360 and other liquid cold tests because we decarboxylate it and tell you what exactly you are getting when you smoke it.

[hedgeraider]

Industrial hemp has awesome effects. I don't know if it's CBD. It could be something else. One of the heaviest weeds i had was in school once, i had a blowback of zero-zero from Amserdarm, just the cheapest weed that a friend brought back, two tokes of it, and i was so doped up i was like horse tranquilizer... As far as i know, CBD does that if you get high from it.

I have some industrial hemp, I can get kindof stoned from pure joints of it, it's very energising physically, and not at all spaced mentally, and it isn't sedating like couchlock and like i imagine pure CBD should be doing.

Anyways... 1 pure joint of that industrial hemp, i got a kilo and loooads of seeds. is the same as a couple of normal drags from a not skunk joint, and it's different, highly recommended...

For example, say that you have work the next day and you don't want THC for that evening, and your head is restless and active. i have an small hemp joint, and i'm asleep in 1/2 a hour. I have one in the morning i tidy all the house up in 1 hour of energy. it's a weird one.

[socioecologist]

Originally Posted by Only Ornamental

The CBDA-synthase has the unfortunate habit of giving rise to 5-10% THC with regard to CBD. Any high CBD strain is therefore doomed by nature to fail that stupid low THC law.

Update for OO (though I assume you have probably already read it): have you seen the Onofri et al. article released in August? If not, the title was "Sequence heterogeneity of cannabidiolic- and tetrahydrocannabinolic acid-synthase in Cannabis sativa L. and its relationship with chemical phenotype". When crossing "drug" cultivars (Bt / Bt) with hemp (Bd / Bd), the total THC concentration present in selected Bd / Bd F2 generations and beyond are largely determined by the specific Bd allele (the authors found 12 different versions in their sample). Pretty rad paper, really. There was a lot more going on under the hood than the previous models suggested (a lot of pseudogenes conserved), but the chemotype inheritance patterns remain predictable.

Originally Posted by hedgeraider

Industrial hemp has awesome effects. I don't know if it's CBD. It could be something else.

It's all about the terpenes! A truly cool part about hemp is the amount of genetic diversity still preserved in today's lines; we're sifting through several hundred thousand seeds this year in search of unique terpene profiles.