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med-man · 04-07-2013, 07:42 AM

so was hemp brought to the new world by early sailors and or with the slave trade respectfully? or by "landbgridgers" during the last ice age?

or are south american and mexican kinds really native to their regions?

or by "landbgridgers" during the last ice age?

i have never seen any mayan artifact with cann in it. just mushrooms. same with the aztecs and incas.

is there a theory? or actual proof to back up either story? verifiable evidence would be awesome...

med-man

Evol Seeds · 04-07-2013, 08:02 AM

After the Spanish conquest in 1521, the Spaniards recorded that the Aztecs (Mayans) used marijuana.

04-07-2013, 08:20 AM

there is a bunch of info on erowid about aztecs and cannabis use. i didn't read the article but perhaps the answer to your question is there bro. but if i remember correctly from other things I've read i believe its always been there.

swayambunath · 04-07-2013, 10:05 AM

Cannabis is an Old World plant; it was introduced to the New World by Europeans, or latterly to the Caribbean by South Asian indentured labourers.
It is unlikely in the extreme that it was introduced by African slaves; I doubt that bringing their herb stash/seed collection would have been foremost on their minds, even if it had been possible, or if they had even smoked cannabis to begin with.

04-07-2013, 11:25 AM

even if we knew exactly how what got where and when, getting our hands on "pure" genetics would be close to impossible.

anyone who thinks their bagseed means it is a landrace is fuckin' high

Rinse · 04-07-2013, 02:18 PM

Is there any proof as to the origins of cannabis? As far as I know its debatable although most agree on Asia.

420empire · 04-07-2013, 08:13 PM

Hmm new science is saying that the native people in America, is bunch of hunters which orgin is from the EU continent, this is based on new found stonetools i north America. I think these hunters maybe could have brought the seeds with them and maybe when settle they spred them around like the native americans are doing with their favourite herbs.

Just my opinion on this subject,

Peace, and btw. Sorry for my bad language.

swayambunath · 04-07-2013, 08:48 PM

There is no evidence of cannabis in the Americas before European contact.
I am a bit bewildered by the seeming need to establish cannabis' ubiquity in a historical context. It's ubiquitous now, why worry about it?

bill cooper · 04-07-2013, 08:54 PM

If anyone has evidence of the Aztecs using cannabis can they post it please because it should's like total bullshit to me

burningfire · 04-07-2013, 09:14 PM

I've never read or heard anyone talk about cannabis use in south america prior to European arrival. Actually, the only person who has claimed otherwise is Franco from GHS but I wouldn't consider him an authority on the subject, I think he's mistaken.

most of the Colombian cannabis has strong Indian/African influences..

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med-man Banned Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: setting the world on fire Posts: 4,364	the "real" landrace debate so was hemp brought to the new world by early sailors and or with the slave trade respectfully? or by "landbgridgers" during the last ice age? or are south american and mexican kinds really native to their regions? or by "landbgridgers" during the last ice age? i have never seen any mayan artifact with cann in it. just mushrooms. same with the aztecs and incas. is there a theory? or actual proof to back up either story? verifiable evidence would be awesome... med-man Last edited by med-man; 04-08-2013 at 05:11 AM.. Reason: worded better
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Evol Seeds Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 116	After the Spanish conquest in 1521, the Spaniards recorded that the Aztecs (Mayans) used marijuana.
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04-07-2013, 08:20 AM	#3
im me Guest Posts: n/a	there is a bunch of info on erowid about aztecs and cannabis use. i didn't read the article but perhaps the answer to your question is there bro. but if i remember correctly from other things I've read i believe its always been there.
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swayambunath New Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 24	Cannabis is an Old World plant; it was introduced to the New World by Europeans, or latterly to the Caribbean by South Asian indentured labourers. It is unlikely in the extreme that it was introduced by African slaves; I doubt that bringing their herb stash/seed collection would have been foremost on their minds, even if it had been possible, or if they had even smoked cannabis to begin with.
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04-07-2013, 11:25 AM	#5
greenmatter Guest Posts: n/a	even if we knew exactly how what got where and when, getting our hands on "pure" genetics would be close to impossible. anyone who thinks their bagseed means it is a landrace is fuckin' high
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Rinse Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 980	Is there any proof as to the origins of cannabis? As far as I know its debatable although most agree on Asia. __________________
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420empire Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 417	Hmm new science is saying that the native people in America, is bunch of hunters which orgin is from the EU continent, this is based on new found stonetools i north America. I think these hunters maybe could have brought the seeds with them and maybe when settle they spred them around like the native americans are doing with their favourite herbs. Just my opinion on this subject, Peace, and btw. Sorry for my bad language.
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04-07-2013, 08:48 PM	#8
swayambunath New Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 24	There is no evidence of cannabis in the Americas before European contact. I am a bit bewildered by the seeming need to establish cannabis' ubiquity in a historical context. It's ubiquitous now, why worry about it?
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bill cooper Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 305	If anyone has evidence of the Aztecs using cannabis can they post it please because it should's like total bullshit to me
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burningfire Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 540	I've never read or heard anyone talk about cannabis use in south america prior to European arrival. Actually, the only person who has claimed otherwise is Franco from GHS but I wouldn't consider him an authority on the subject, I think he's mistaken. most of the Colombian cannabis has strong Indian/African influences..
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