Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

G`day Hashash

No need to be a smarty .
No I don`t have NLD plants from Afghanistan in my cupboards .

Though Afghani nomenclature is particularly well documented . For at least 70 - 80 years .
If you were to take the time and read some of the information collected re .
You would be better informed and not make ignorant statements like show me your NLD in the cupboard ...

For a look at Iranian genes go look up Storm Shadows thread .
Fat leaves and skinny . All in the same batch .

You think the Hindu`s took all the NLD south with them ??

The Hash makers of Afghanistan came out of Yunnan / Xiangxing China . The cradle of cannabis .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

despite all misunderstandings i try again.
i addressed humanity in general since this thread
tended to become one typical metaphor for it.

i didnt find any information about NLD´s from afghanistan
i had never heard of it before so i went to hunt some info
but could not find anything, google may also not be as corporative
as it once used to be, so obviously its not that easy to collect some info on that.

Cannabis Genepool all belonged to one Genotype, it evolved according to the light
and the environment we all know that or should know.

so if we can get over that childish blaming each other please show some NDL
from Iran or Afghanistan if you have some sources.

if this may sound ignorant again i apologize in advance.
i thought i am here to be interested and eager to get info
not to be blamed what kind of ignorant idiot i supposed to be..

thanks for sharing.. or maybe no thanks.

[Elmer Bud]

Originally Posted by Hashash

despite all misunderstandings i try again.
i addressed humanity in general since this thread
tended to become one typical metaphor for it.

i didnt find any information about NLD´s from afghanistan
i had never heard of it before so i went to hunt some info
but could not find anything, google may also not be as corporative
as it once used to be, so obviously its not that easy to collect some info on that.

Cannabis Genepool all belonged to one Genotype, it evolved according to the light
and the environment we all know that or should know.

so if we can get over that childish blaming each other please show some NDL
from Iran or Afghanistan if you have some sources.

if this may sound ignorant again i apologize in advance.
i thought i am here to be interested and eager to get info
not to be blamed what kind of ignorant idiot i supposed to be..

thanks for sharing.. or maybe no thanks.

G`day H

Google Vavillov / Afghanistan .

He`s a Russian researcher who went there 70 - 80 years ago .

The skinny leaf plants are documented . They are the wild ruderal types that grow on the sides of roads and fields . Tall branched plants with skinny leaf .

Turkish canna can have thin leaves,. so to Marocan and Lebanese .
Trade routes cris crossed those regions in times past .

I also refered to the disporia of Sth China . The Hash makers in NW Afghanistan came from over the other side other ranges . Trekked east and south before heading north and west . So seeds and culture from the other side of the Himalayas came to Persia .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

thanks Elmar yes Vavilov was the keyword

here some text i found on icmag about him and afghan sativas link below

Originally Posted by zamalito

Ok, the commonly accepted history of the afghani is something many of you know but I'll run thru it just bring the rest of you up to speed.

In the late 1800's the Russian explorer Vavilov (a sort of Russian version of a combination Linnaeus and Louis & Clarke) explored Afghanistan. He noted that the afghans were cultivating sativas for hashish production and the variety of wild plants used by nomadic groups were indica. So what happened to the legendary afghan hash sativa? My theory is this. First off our definition of indica is probably quite different from Vavilov's 120 years ago. Interestingly one of vavilov's criteria for the taxonomic classification of indica was a height of less than 3 feet. The afghan hashish culture was composed of immigrants from Russian and ChineseTurkestan (approx location of modern day uzbekistan and xinjiang province of china) I believe that what vavilov labeled as cultivated sativa were actually giant pure indicas brought to afghanistan from turkestan. The reason these plants are no longer in afghanistan is while the climate of the two countries are similar and they both are irrigated by melted runoff from snow melting in the spring afghanistan is prone to EXTREME drought lasting sometimes ten years. The regions around Samarkand and Yarkand (the two areas of turkestan that supposedly produced hash that would make bubbleman blush even before christ existed) have large areas of deciduous forest showing that there's ample water supply to support very large cannabis plants. Because of these droughts afghanistan doesn't have any very large deciduous forest covered areas. Another piece of evidence is the gorgeous 6-9 ft tall uzbek hash plant indica strains (of which I have two hehe). One of which is the Tashkenti from cannabiogen. I purchased some about 2-3 years ago and it stretches more indoors than my zamal!! But its 100% indica and makes wonderful hash. If you look at the structure of a true p1 afghan you see short height, short branches that stay close to the main stem, and a dense covering of resin covered wide leaves with little actual flower weight. All of these are adaptations that allow the plant to conserve water in dry air during drought and simultaneously use the sun to efficiently produce trichome. Since I don't believe that resin helps the plant deal with drought it just seems far fetched that the plants developed their resin producing ability simultaneous to adapting to such a terrible climate. The hi resin trait must have been developed separately then combined with the wild afghans. While the afghani does have the traits that matter for producing good hash I believe that the genes from the wild indicas that allowed them to survive the hellacious afghan drought eventually carried over to the hash plants out of neccessity for survival. So the afghan hash sativas probably either never existed or are something we've been overlooking for a while now depending on how you look at it (at least in my opinion). BTW It takes a lot of balls for me to disagree RC Clarke who says it actually was a sativa.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=25927

makes me think about how indicas and sativas got named again
Lineé and Vavilov somebody one should know for sure.

[Elmer Bud]

G`day H

Another one to google ; Hashish by RC Clarke .
Lotsa anecdotes from Afghanistan .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

thanks elmar i have clarke on my shelf
but maybe lets get back to Iran again.

[Ganja baba]

Originally Posted by Elmer Bud

G`day Hashash

No need to be a smarty .
No I don`t have NLD plants from Afghanistan in my cupboards .

Though Afghani nomenclature is particularly well documented . For at least 70 - 80 years .
If you were to take the time and read some of the information collected re .
You would be better informed and not make ignorant statements like show me your NLD in the cupboard ...

For a look at Iranian genes go look up Storm Shadows thread .
Fat leaves and skinny . All in the same batch .

You think the Hindu`s took all the NLD south with them ??

The Hash makers of Afghanistan came out of Yunnan / Xiangxing China . The cradle of cannabis .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

Has this been proven yet that China was the cradle of cannabis , and also if you can point me in the direction of any literature about this and the yunman making hash in Afghanistan .thanks man

[Ganja baba]

Originally Posted by Hashash

thanks Elmar yes Vavilov was the keyword

here some text i found on icmag about him and afghan sativas link below



https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=25927

makes me think about how indicas and sativas got named again
Lineé and Vavilov somebody one should know for sure.

Mate what a great read love your direction on this .and love the text from zamilto
When I traveled India I noticed even in the hot flat lands , wide leaves and very narrow leaves , when I say wide I mean wide ish def not sativa but not full indica , and then there was one In between not so wide not so thin ,
All three strains grew side by side , you would assume all were different phenos of the same verity , which they may well be , what I noticed and was told by locals was the short one flowers and finishes well before the tall one flowers and finishes , and the mixed looking pheno goes either way mixing with both .
I just find it increadable in the heat plains of Punjab short for sure indica dom plants grow side by side to sativas and never mix such is the diversity of our ganja .
Afghanistan used to also be part of Punjab . In India there is so much wild weed I could not imagine it originating from any where else to be honest .

[Elmer Bud]

G`day GB

Can`t give a source .
I think its Rob Clarke , and or Sam I got that idea from .

The hash makers story I read in RC Clarkes book : Hashish .
Seems Zamalito read it too .

Thanks for sharin

EB .

actually i didnt want to mix up this thread even more but i cant deny since it has gotten a bit historically
that it all belongs together anyway and being also interested in the history a bit so why not.

so what Elmar is referring to is the Persian Empire?
but how is Punjab connected to Afghanistan baba?

i cant understand though why that should be so important to point out..
boarders are dynamic some fortunately resolve others sadly come or come again...

many new have come in the past... here a link i have stumbled upon today click

i think and hope that cannabis has the potential to grow us back together.
and if its not just for the sake of the plant but also for the sake of understanding
in the need of each other.

[Elmer Bud]

G`day Hashash

Cyrus the Great .
Didn`t have a long rule . But when he was boss of Persia its domain rivaled the hey days of the Romans for territory under control . He ranged wide .

Cyrus II of Persia (Old Persian: KUURUUSHA[4] Kūruš; New Persian: کوروش Kurosh  ; c. 600 or 576 – 530 BC),[5] commonly known as Cyrus the Great [6] (Persian: کوروش بزرگ‎‎, Kourosh-e-Bozorg) and also called Cyrus the Elder by the Greeks, was the founder of the Achaemenid Empire.[7] Under his rule, the empire embraced all the previous civilized states of the ancient Near East,[7] expanded vastly and eventually conquered most of Southwest Asia and much of Central Asia and the Caucasus. From the Mediterranean Sea and Hellespont in the west to the Indus River in the east, Cyrus the Great created the largest empire the world had yet seen.[8] Under his successors, the empire eventually stretched from parts of the Balkans (Bulgaria-Paeonia) and Thrace-Macedonia in the west, to the Indus Valley in the east. His regal titles in full were The Great King, King of Persia, King of Anshan, King of Media, King of Babylon, King of Sumer and Akkad, and King of the Four Corners of the World.
The reign of Cyrus the Great lasted between 29 and 31 years. Cyrus built his empire by conquering first the Median Empire, then the Lydian Empire and eventually the Neo-Babylonian Empire. Either before or after Babylon, he led an expedition into central Asia, which resulted in major campaigns that were described as having brought "into subjection every nation without exception".[9] Cyrus did not venture into Egypt, as he himself died in battle, fighting the Massagetae along the Syr Darya in December 530 BC.[10][11] He was succeeded by his son, Cambyses II, who managed to add to the empire by conquering Egypt, Nubia, and Cyrenaica during his short rule.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrus_the_Great

Thanks for sharin

EB .