Knowledge is power n I'm weak as fook. Y'all are to clever for me to play with I'm off to the pub lol.

[inreplyavalon]

Folks this thread has been a gripping experience for me. I spent the last 24 hours trimming and letting all the posts sink in and pass around the cortex. Intermingling with THC and such. All the while having the foxtailing kolas in my hand.
First off Tony, my co2 ppm is 1000-1200 for the first 7 weeks, then down to about 700 and finally 500.
I can say with as much certainty as i can ever muster, that my issue was overfertilization specifically of the N kind. I switched and gave Heavy 16 a try and the total N in the Bloom A & B, is something like 5.25 or so. I fed them with that fairly heavily for two far into flower. What really made things coalesce in my mind was the point FOE made by sharing this, "it opened up the N reserve an "Grew" the calyx's".
YES! I have not been so excited about growing in a while. I always have had more foxtailing than i felt was normal, but this round it was so exaggerated that i could see single calyx elongating on a toothpick stem. It was a trip and until i read these knowledgeable posts, i was clueless. Now i am beginning to see the light in a very very long tunnel.
Whats my solution. Take a step back. Stop switching nutrients every round, and feed them ladies "to order". About a year ago i realized after a long while and many rounds, of slow shy growth during the stretch/transition period, that i was chronically under feeding in the start of flower. I upped my nutes and the plants loved it during that period of stretch that has always given me trouble. I should have learned then to give them a more tailored diet based on what stage they were in. Instead i was feeding in general ways and summarized accepted protocals. Perpetual rookie i tell you! I have not been this excited about my upcoming round for many many moons. I want to address everything written more, and plan to, but got two more days of trimming, and thems some long hours!
So, FOE20, Verdantgreen, and DansBud, and everyone else that spent some of the ole time, you all are what makes this ICmonster the special place that it is. Wish i could buy you a beer and smoke you out with NEXT rounds herb ( it will burn better i am sure

ps. I always felt my foxtailing was added growth on the outside of my established bud. Well the severeness of the Ftails this round, coupled with the insights shared in this thread, have helped me to comprehend that it is actually the bud that was already there, growing its internal stems, while adding on a few calyx on the tips of the foxtails. The same way a few calyx would be growing on a properly expressed, maturing bud, only they would all be growing side by side in a cluster on the proper expressions, as opposed to all dangly and apart as the foxtails inevitably end up. Doubt that reads as well as it fly around in my head, but at least its clear in my Mind!

[dansbuds]

Just passin on the same knowledge that was given to me here at IC
glad we gave ya some insight & a few things to look at & consider . good luck on the next round brother

[FOE20]

but this round it was so exaggerated that i could see single calyx elongating on a toothpick stem.

I know exactly what your speaking of in that instance to..heheh..extremely odd growth is it not?..
but glad it made sense for you Avalon..it will def help you see structures in a new way if you play with formulas a bit thru your bloom cycle..power to it and keep rollin
FOE20

[Hash Zeppelin]

Originally Posted by FOE20

aloha Avalon...I'd like a shot at your concerns...
Im along the lines of what Dansbuds is suggesting...
This is what I refer to as growing Buds..not Flowering buds...
Some say heat stress and I get where that comes from...
but its up to the user to know if thats the actual case...
To me what u have a imbalance of formula for that Type of variety...
If you hit a lets say Haze with heavy N...it will never ever stop flowering..cause most hazes need hardly any N thru bloom even tho they need to be fed low and constant for months with a more 1-4-5 formula...
Indicas for me get a sorta 3-2-4 goin into bloom and a high PPM...then round down to a 1-4-5 then 1-5-6 pr 0-5-6 pending type...
Allot may even imply its genetic but it is in a way..
For Sat doms I start bloom with a low 2-4-6...and by wk 3 switch to a 1-4-5 at a low-med PPM...
Also if you r direct N is equal to P you get a growing Calyx...If P and K are in the proper range you get a Swelling calyx..
Its expressing according to the Food/Room tho...not the actual needs of the plant...as in you gave it to much of something and its out of balance and thus Grew your Calyx's and did not Swell them..
This might all seem a lil diff of a view..think it over..let it sink in...
but I know how ya feel....been there n done that...
See this Stretched out Calyx?.....thast imbalance of N to P ratio in bloom..to much N..vs not enough P...and why did it happen?..cause this strain didnt need much N at all thru bloom..so it s stored it ..and stored it..etc...and soon as it became flush time...
I only used water and it opened up the N reserve an "Grew" the calyx's...anyway its the users call and i think with all the suggestions you def have some options to try...
This pic was a SOL BSat v1 in DWC controlled nutes tested for level reaction...my clawing was a sever N overdose..so I tried to flush it out with a mild P-K solution..but as said it kept growing"...
The SupMFBerry is also a type i tested this idea on and got same or bout same reaction being they are diff types..
When I see chalky stretched out calyx's and not so great resins it perty much is the plant saying it..
Now I do run my room hot and rather Dry...in bloom 78-85+deg/35-45%RH...and heres what osSSH forms like within this hot dry room..no foxes by formula..theres also a ripening point to talk on when it comes to over flowering...I'd def try and get it to express more classically...Then make small adjustment till your happy...sorry for the long post..hope any of it helps..
power to it and keep rollin
FOE20

this is a really good post!

I used to run a pure haze that would go 20 weeks before I would have to just stop the N out of sheer amazement that is was still flowering.

[coloradokushin]

the same strains grown in higher temps do it verses the same strain in a cooler room stays tighter. also i have noticed that high pk boosters mainly shooting powdwer makes the blooms foxtail.

[sprinkl]

My outdoor plant last season endured a lot of rain, it produced very airy buds with only about 1% of mold. I think the buds would have been a lot tighter if it hadn't been for the rain...

[Greenheart]

"if your direct N is equal to P you get a growing Calyx...If P and K are in the proper range you get a Swelling calyx" True gold right there FOE20

Around Oct-Jan I was seeing alot of foxtailing. At the time I attributed it to my aging bulb. Though past it's limit I think my true problem may have been that I wanted to recycle my soil. Over a year I had been buying the storeshelf EWC and throwing it in sometimes substituting a bag of FFOE instead. Well I kept replacing the N but everything else was probably not up to where it should be. I have since discovered more ammendments and the ratios to add them. I now have a whole new way of looking at the soil as a living entity. Replacing my eye probably helped but now everything is smiling and you gave me a deeper understanding as to why.



*I thought 150 days seemed a little long on some of the bloom times.

[Hash Zeppelin]

^I like the way he put that too because it is very very true, and said in few words!!

[Fly by Night]

never dried between waterings...here's her exclusive tails homie!