[FlowerFarmer]

Originally Posted by DHF

I don`t understand FF......What you`re stating as a "Dry" trim is the way I harvied for many many yrs by doin most of the removal of excess foliage before the chop , and then buckin bigger plants into hangable limbs and all remaining fans with stems removed before hung to dry.....then 7-10 days later finishing up the burp , bag/jar and cure.......confused over here....

Smaller plants once all foliage with stems removed hung whole do ok , but the closer limbs/colas are to each other during a proper slow dry , retards airflow around the nuggage and invites airborn nasties with excess condensation during the "slow" evaporation process in a HIGH humidity environment from what I`ve seen over the yrs......anyways......

My 2 cents.....DHF..........

What are you confused about? You say de-fan before hanging, but are you not going back and doing a final trim after dry.. to take off the frosted leaf tips (or un-frosted), etc..?


The method you describe I do believe is the way to go about it for max flavor and aroma. I'm not claiming it is anything new.. just that a lot of people don't do it this way because they believe it to be harder.

Just stating that I didn't always do it this way... because I thought it was easier to trim wet. Meaning cut my garden down plant by plant.. trimming wet as I go and trimming tight (final trim) to be dried either hanging branch by branch (have to go back and clip off later), or take it right off the stem at the wet trim and dry on a net (plant gets trimmed/dealt with in all one step...not in stages). When it is dry.. it is ready to go.. no further trimming or De-stemming.



Nothing new.. but alot of people don't allow the plant to dry before trimming. They wet trim those protruding tips/leaves off right at the time of harvest and I do believe this to be inferior to allowing those frosted tips to fall and encapsulate the flower - resulting in slower drying time and protect the inner goodness.

I however do believe there is more to it then just slowed dry time. Another poster suggested that the plants goes into some defense mode (terpene terminology stuff) when cut on fresh...which can lead to an inferior taste and aroma. I feel this may be true, but I'm just a regular ol' grower with no scientific knowledge of the matter.



Single cola sea of green I can see not really having to do much after the hang, but certainly they still need some touching up after drying if growing larger plants right? (removing further leaves.. the ones without stems)

Honestly.. I think it is all BS to have to meticulous manicure the buds.. I'd rather leave that bit of frosted leaf on there and make it weigh more if necessary. It protects the bud..

[Sandnut]

I will defitinetly do dry trim from here and on after reading this thread, thanks

Originally Posted by FlowerFarmer

What are you confused about? You say de-fan before hanging, but are you not going back and doing a final trim after dry.. to take off the frosted leaf tips (or un-frosted), etc..?


The method you describe I do believe is the way to go about it for max flavor and aroma. I'm not claiming it is anything new.. just that a lot of people don't do it this way because they believe it to be harder.

Just stating that I didn't always do it this way... because I thought it was easier to trim wet. Meaning cut my garden down plant by plant.. trimming wet as I go and trimming tight (final trim) to be dried either hanging branch by branch (have to go back and clip off later), or take it right off the stem at the wet trim and dry on a net (plant gets trimmed/dealt with in all one step...not in stages). When it is dry.. it is ready to go.. no further trimming or De-stemming.



Nothing new.. but alot of people don't allow the plant to dry before trimming. They wet trim those protruding tips/leaves off right at the time of harvest and I do believe this to be inferior to allowing those frosted tips to fall and encapsulate the flower - resulting in slower drying time and protect the inner goodness.

I however do believe there is more to it then just slowed dry time. Another poster suggested that the plants goes into some defense mode (terpene terminology stuff) when cut on fresh...which can lead to an inferior taste and aroma. I feel this may be true, but I'm just a regular ol' grower with no scientific knowledge of the matter.



Single cola sea of green I can see not really having to do much after the hang, but certainly they still need some touching up after drying if growing larger plants right? (removing further leaves.. the ones without stems)

Honestly.. I think it is all BS to have to meticulous manicure the buds.. I'd rather leave that bit of frosted leaf on there and make it weigh more if necessary. It protects the bud..

Ok......I see now Bro......

Once I bucked and de-fanned limbs for hangin , they were finished and never touched again as far as the lil sugar leaves are/were concerned.......they stayed on finished product to protect the meat of the nugs like you were sayin , but I ain`t in med-ville where competition is/was an issue.....anyways.....

Folks.....whatever works for you is what works , and I`m not so sure bout those terpene profiles changing for the better by not getting rid of excess foliage before trimming FF........regardless....IME... .

Chlorophyll bad.......Properly dried and cured nuggage WITHOUT excess chlorophyll during said process good......

Peace....DHF...........

[KAT]

I dry trim only now.beeen dry trimming now for a year and I think smoother smoke.happy trails....

[MildeStoner]

It seems that people who have tried both extensively always end up choosing dry, it's industry standard where I come from..

[HellaFella420]

Originally Posted by DHF

...were outfitted with active intakes and exhaust/scrubber combo`s exchanging room air twice per minute WITH dehueys runnin 24/7...

It still blows my mind that people that seem to have a lot of experience and knowledge do things like this.

:facepalm:

Don't you realize that those fans are sucking out and replacing the expensively dehumidified air faster then the dehum can even produce it?

I have a friend here running a 10 ton A/C into a fully ventilated system, every time I'm over there i try and talk some sense into him, but "it 'works fine' so I'm just gonna leave it how it is...."

Meanwhile he's milking the CARE program so as to still be able to turn a profit!

My drying room has a single 40pint Kenmore, two wall mount circulation fans, and NO VENTILATION.. Within 2 hours of closing the door and turning on dehum it will be at a rock solid 40%RH.


Why? Because I'm not DRAWING IN FRESH 80%RH AMBIENT
ATMOSPHERE


Much respect for you from all our combined years on here, but wise up your electricity usage brah







ANYWAY:
wet trim with a 48hr 40%RH quick dry every time.

And that was BEFORE we started using The Triminator!

Not a single person has asked if it was machine trimmed.....

[whatthe215]

i wanna setup a lil warehouse with the specific purpose of dry trimming. have the place bumping 5 days a week cause the quality and odors that i get from dry trimming are well worth $200/lb.

but i really wanna try a machine after seeing what my buddies weed looked like all machine trimmed. i'm guessing it's somewhat strain dependent. i don't think my bubba would fair well going through a machine considering the stupid amount of leaves. recently got 3lbs sugar trim from 4lbs of dried meds LOL

[FlowerFarmer]

How does this Triminator compare in price to the Twister Machine?


I ran the Twister Machine and wasn't overly impressed. Maybe for massive grows, but ran 10lbs through it and feel like I could have done the same job easier (with the Rotor) without the noise/cleanup of the twister. Secondly I had to keep feeding it product to keep it coming out of the other end. My measly 10lb haul wasn't up to the task and I'd have to slightly prop it to keep it moving through.



Now, this isnt going to be popular and I'll likely get some hate for it, but I did some experimenting on my last haul.

I always trimpro rotor my mids-smalls. These obviously get done wet and then dried on a net slowly. It works, but flavor and aroma are hindered. This last time, I de-fan'd and hung to dry, but rather then hand trimming dry I de-stemmed everything and toss'd it into the trimpro rotor dry. A quick ~30-40 sec run and all of the sugar leaves were broke off and I was left with a nice bud that looked hand trimmed, but was way more odorous and flavorful then the stuff that was originally machine trimmed wet.

I'm sure I lost a a bit of resin heads, but the buds were still nicer then the wet trimmed flowers despite being bumped around through the machine for half minute or so.

[HellaFella420]

Triminator is about 18k i believe. Delivered and trained on its operation

It is 90%-100% strain dependent, the chunkier, more filled in nugs def yield a more desirable result.

It took to our 3rd harvest with it to get a feel for its operation and workflow... turns out we dont even used it till LATE in the day.

We have EVERYONE just bucking down the plants and putting all the fresh inflorescence's in lots of rubbermaid totes, then at the very end of things we sent it all through the trimminator in one fell swoop, takes like 60 min total to send it all through. As long as the totes dont sit in the sun or a hot room everything stays fresh and plenty turgid for the machine to work properly.

Just saw this HF , and you`ve got valid points concerning your friend on the "CARE" program , and even though I failed to describe in detail "how" my intake and exhaust fans functioned in my drying areas , there was only low rh air being pumped in from the controlled environment of my lung rooms I assure you.......so.....

Not exactly the way you perceived it to be as in your friend`s setup , since my drying areas were exhausted via scrubber out into the main part of the basements so as not to be remixed with ambient rh behind the walls of said lung/flip rooms.....anyways...

Worked well for me right at 20 yrs , so as I stated above wet trimming was the only way for me to reduce the amount of plant material in my drying areas to prevent airborn pathogens during the drying process in an already high ambient rh environment , and make shit work in a timely manner with 5-6 lbs hangin and curing every 4 1/2-5 weeks for rotations.....regardless....

Many ways ta skin a mule....and for the record once again as stated above , I never removed the small sugar leaves wrapped around colas for a "dry trim" finish up down here in Hell....wasn`t required in a non-med state with no market competition other than mexican brick weed.......

Peace....DHF.........