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ya'll keep saying genetics plays a role in how well defoliation works. So can any of throw out some examples of specific genetics that are/aren't compatible with defoliation?

[Avinash.miles]

[Avinash.miles]

i've always wondered what breeders did to the strains i gro, like was a strain bred under conditions of NO defol, therefore maybe making it better NOT to defol, or vice versa.... it'd be nice to kno...
sumn to think on.

[Jbonez]

Originally Posted by PeopleWish

I have been working for a while to attain the same efficiency as vertical lighting with horizontal. The trick lies in training, defoliation and pruning its the trifecta. Still trying to master this. however i do not think i will ever see the same results horizontally as vertically.

Problem with horizontal grow philosophy when contrasted with vertical is the math does not work in favor of horizontal grows.

Nearly every facet of vertical beats horizontal on paper.

You have two choices when you screw in your bulb. For some of us, that choice nets more product...

What grower wants to spend more money on gear that nets less product? The need for arbitrary satisfaction perhaps? Its the shear logic of it that is irrefutable. But I dont need to convince the class, the proof is in our efforts.

[Jbonez]

Originally Posted by EShred

ya'll keep saying genetics plays a role in how well defoliation works. So can any of throw out some examples of specific genetics that are/aren't compatible with defoliation?

From as objective a stance as a man can have, I strongly believe that all strains will react the same way to defoliation.

Meaning, I do not see how one plant "handles" having its leaves taken better than the other.

I think saying genetics play a role is just rhetoric. It has no weight.

All of my veg plants are benefiting, ALL of them.. This can only translate into a better structured plant in bloom.

So my opinion? Genetics mean nothing other than the plant will grow different regardless of what you do, learn the cut, study how she blooms, make adjustments next round..

Its called learning, most guys think there is a shortcut or something....

[Anti]

A quick primer....

When you do a defoliation in veg and then allow the plant to recover... you get more bud sites than you otherwise would.

When stretch is over and the plant is in full "bud swell" mode, the fan leaves have already done their job. You'll notice that even non-defoliated plants will start to use up and shed those fan leaves during flowering.

If you try to rape the plant of all excess fan leaves on one day, you will shock your plant.
If you wait til stretch has ended (plant no longer gets taller day by day) and then remove a few leaves per day until the only leaves left are directly attached to budsites.... (no leaves with stems) you will increase airflow, increase light penetration, etc.

If you REALLY wanted to do a side by side, you'd need to set up two identical rooms and pack them both full and keep the environment, nutes, light, etc. the same for both rooms. One room entirely defoliated. The other room entirely not. Because part of the magic is that light that would've been blocked by plant #1's fans... makes it to plant #2's exposed budsites. And because plant #2 is defoliated, the light also makes it to plant #3's exposed budsites. and so on.

If the whole room is defoliated in this way, you will see a much bigger benefit from defoliation than if you have 6 out of 30 plants defoliated. You may still see a benefit from selective defoliation, but the real magic is when you do the entire room. When NONE of the plants have big hand-sized fan leaves eating light, ALL of the plants get better penetration to the lower buds.

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[Anti]

Originally Posted by sweetestsin420

do the same basics and rules apply to vertical defoliating like horizontal?who defoliates in vertical grows?should i?

Yes. Most of us. Yes.

[Jbonez]

I agree with Anti.

Sweetestsin, Vertical is what you want for yields, defoliation will only add to that translation.