[Tlapapa]

charly are these going to be available for south hemisphere's next season? or should I grab a pack now and keep it in the fridge till then?

[huligun]

You need a Colombian (like me) to try growing these indoors.

Originally Posted by Tlapapa

charly are these going to be available for south hemisphere's next season? or should I grab a pack now and keep it in the fridge till then?

I think so, most of our Limited Release last 2 years or so
Wish iCMag wants some lots
best

Pics are from different growers, a summary of different steps and results. thx amigos

[Sir_Syzurp]

Hey Charlie, I have a few questions about this strain.

1. What is the variation like on this variety, how many phenotypes were found
2. Out of the different phenotypes to be found, which one or ones would you call "keepers" and what are their identifying marks, also what the rate of finding the "keeper" might be?
3. Will these perform well outdoor in a semi-arid climate that averages less than 30% RH?

Originally Posted by Sir_Syzurp

Hey Charlie, I have a few questions about this strain.

1. What is the variation like on this variety, how many phenotypes were found
2. Out of the different phenotypes to be found, which one or ones would you call "keepers" and what are their identifying marks, also what the rate of finding the "keeper" might be?
3. Will these perform well outdoor in a semi-arid climate that averages less than 30% RH?

Being quite stable and clearly defined variety, there are still few variations between individuals can be more or less spicy or mango leaning.

Nevertheless I would look for keepers in 2 aspects, potency/effect quality, and yield, you can see there are some very nice yielders. Wont pay particular attention basically to other traits as far as you see belong to same family but flavours perhaps. Ive seen plants with bit thiner leaves too...

Mangobiche would stand very well dry conditions but its more used to humid climates where would perform much more bushy. Clones are maintained indoors like any other sativa, dont need to drink that much you know, prefer dry soil, same with nutes despite line accepts them well if you push them. Mold resistance

In another run done with 50 Mangobiches fisnished short ago they were strongly stressed to identify the still remaining intersexuals the best possible and 20% of plants were discharged again as they still showed signs of intersexuality. Overall male to female ratio was 20/80%.

best
kaiki

[Sir_Syzurp]

Thank you for that description.

So if I am understanding this properly, by intersexuality do you mean hermaphrodites? 20% hermi ratio under heavy stress conditions seems to be a pretty stable line IMO with nice female to male ratio as well.

One last question, would you believe this strain to have uses in breeding, or do you believe the line to be best left alone as it is? If you do believe it has uses in breeding what are the top 2 traits you would breed this genetic with another to achieve?

[rabid]

I believe what Charlie means about the "20% discharge" is those plants which showed intersexual traits were eliminated from the breeding program to reduce the incidence of hermaphrodites...

Originally Posted by Sir_Syzurp

Thank you for that description.

So if I am understanding this properly, by intersexuality do you mean hermaphrodites? 20% hermi ratio under heavy stress conditions seems to be a pretty stable line IMO with nice female to male ratio as well.

Thx Rabid, thats what I meant. But first take in account this is a bottleneck due sex results. When first saw and grew the lines I couldnt expect to have such improvement on the sex trait so quick but it seemed it worked quite well. Lots of colombians plants from these and other varieties showed hermafrodites in different ways and is been a pain in the ass of 2 years to find best and most possible suited individuals. As for as lines should go I expect very good results. Its a vigorous and healthy line still and stands well even indoor air/light conditions since first days

Originally Posted by Sir_Syzurp

One last question, would you believe this strain to have uses in breeding, or do you believe the line to be best left alone as it is? If you do believe it has uses in breeding what are the top 2 traits you would breed this genetic with another to achieve?

When we release landraces (Mexico Verde Limon, Jamaica Blue Mountain, Lesotho, Colombia, PCK, etc) we do it for both purposes, to help and refresh humbling a bit some of our common genepool and as experience tells, to keep line alive as it is. In this sense I always like to save seeds stored from first batchs done after been taken out of its original country as enviorement may have less effect and original seeds taken from some dried local buds dont alway germ so great. Done this can be always interesting to see what and how line would perform in crosses. I wish works great, thus our job focused on sex department.

If you grow other Mangobiche sources, cross them together with our release if you wish, we havent altered much but depured sex for its best use

best
kaiki

[huligun]

When we see a pure sativa that has been worked liked this there needs to be more appreciation for the hard work and the length of time required to make stable seeds. It is a good thing you do when the market demands a 50 day flowering plant with an average high. Thanks for keeping the headstash alive.