[Hydro-Soil]

In the spirit of colorado amendment 64, the question of private partnerships for growing comes to the discussion table.

Given the goal of staying under the fed min sentencing guidelines of 99 plants... we're looking at clubs of 16 members or less and a plant max of 96 plants.

Let's (as a growing community with a vast array of experience) take some time here and come up with realistic numbers and scenarios.

- What type of grow op will maximized the results for each person?
- How are yields transported with the under one ounce max? (Transport entire plant for harvest at owners house?)
- How do you structure equipment depreciatin, nute & electricity usage, hourly compensation and such into standard service fees?
- Possible contracts between a grower and their neighbor?
- Possible garden layout designs and room sizes/setups for a 96 plant operation. Starter op costs and scale up scenarios?
- Processing services and related issues?

The easier we make it for folks to set this up... the more neighborhoods will have adequate supplies of cannabis in the state. The more that have, the more info will be spread and the more will naturally become those that 'know' the truth about cannabis.

Shall we begin?

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[monsoon]

It all sounds good until you consider that sales aren't a legality offered in this equation. Service fees and all of those other things constitute commerce, or "renumeration" as the law deems it. You can transfer (give) someone less tha an ounce under this law but if you are in anyway enriched by goods, services, or flat out $$$, it is no longer a gift and is considered outside this Amendment. Folks are mistaking that DA's are dropping ALL MJ cases but they are only dropping the small/1oz possession cases and not the SALES cases or cases against larger players.

For the record...the laws that have always been on the books regarding sales over 1 ounce and cultivation over 6 plants have not and will not change. How these laws are enforced and if they are widely used in the future against those who feel this amendment wiped out ALL penalties for growing/possession/sales is yet to be seen but they are still valid State statuates that are well in effect.

The sale of 1 ounce to 5 lbs. is a Class 5 felony punishable by a sentence of between 1-3 three years imprisonment and a fine of between $1000-$100,000

The cultivation of more than 6 but fewer than 30 plants is a Class 5 felony punishable by 1-3 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

The cultivation of 30 or more plants is a Class 4 felony punishable by 2-6 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $2,000-$500,000.

nobody knows what the mandates will be yet for LEO when they run across larger gardens but it will be interesting to see how they handle these supposed loopholes in the law and "collective" grows.

[Hydro-Soil]

Originally Posted by monsoon

It all sounds good until you consider that sales aren't a legality offered in this equation. Service fees and all of those other things constitute commerce, or "renumeration" as the law deems it.

Sales? No sales.
Renumeration? Yes, for consultation fees, equipment depreciation, overhead costs. Nothing for the cannabis.

Originally Posted by monsoon

You can transfer (give) someone less tha an ounce under this law but if you are in anyway enriched by goods, services, or flat out $$$, it is no longer a gift and is considered outside this Amendment.

This is does not enter in to what I'm talking about here. No one is 'giving' anyone 'anything'.

Originally Posted by monsoon

Folks are mistaking that DA's are dropping ALL MJ cases but they are only dropping the small/1oz possession cases and not the SALES cases or cases against larger players.

Again... not relevant to this discussion.

Originally Posted by monsoon

For the record...the laws that have always been on the books regarding sales over 1 ounce and cultivation over 6 plants have not and will not change. How these laws are enforced and if they are widely used in the future against those who feel this amendment wiped out ALL penalties for growing/possession/sales is yet to be seen but they are still valid State statuates that are well in effect.

And now... no longer apply to a person growing their own 6 plants, or (as this discussion is covering) housing them at a location that is tended by someone else.

Originally Posted by monsoon

The sale of 1 ounce to 5 lbs. is a Class 5 felony punishable by a sentence of between 1-3 three years imprisonment and a fine of between $1000-$100,000

Again... you bring up sales?

Originally Posted by monsoon

The cultivation of more than 6 but fewer than 30 plants is a Class 5 felony punishable by 1-3 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $1,000-$100,000.

The cultivation of 30 or more plants is a Class 4 felony punishable by 2-6 years imprisonment as well as a fine between $2,000-$500,000.

*sigh* Blah blah blah... Again, you're talking about commercial growing. This is not the subject.

Originally Posted by monsoon

nobody knows what the mandates will be yet for LEO when they run across larger gardens but it will be interesting to see how they handle these supposed loopholes in the law and "collective" grows.

It'll be interesting indeed. In my county they won't even investigate if someone calls in a 'suspected' grow op. As long as you're well under 99 plants, it's really not worth the hassle for them. You show them paperwork that says 6 plants, with 30 of them behind you, and they just nod and say "ok" and walk away.

I'm looking for helpful information that people can use to help out their neighbors. Whatever that information is. Stuff folks can actively use to get started now, with the least number of legal concerns. Thanks.

Anyone else?

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[monsoon]

Folks can help out their neighbors by simply giving them a bag.

No "club" needed.

Good luck

[Hydro-Soil]

Originally Posted by monsoon

Folks can help out their neighbors by simply giving them a bag.

No "club" needed.

Good luck

Good point. I do see a lot of sharing on the horizon for sure.

Perhaps the term 'club' is inappropriate here? Dunno, that's why I started the thread.


I've just noticed that when folks have a clear set of choices/options laid out in front of them... they tend to actually do something. Right now there are at least a million adults over 21 in Colorado that are wondering what they should/could do.

So... what constructive thoughts are floating around out there? Plug them into this thread. You want to help, yes?

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[LubdaNugs]

I think a good approach would be genetic sharing between individual growers. Imagine if you had 3 mother plants that you liked and several other friends with a variety of mother plants. You could stay legal in plant counts and still have access to a wide variety of strains.

I think you are on the right track. The problem is some group will have to be the guinea pig.
Are you willing to test the waters?
If so I think you are headed in the right direction.
I can not see a jury of your peers convicting 16 people who like to garden together.
Community gardens have been around forever. This is nothing new.
Yours just might be a "community indoor garden."

Grow 1lb. trees each under a 1k of it's own. Should be enough for everyone. The electric bill could get pricey though.

[Hydro-Soil]

Originally Posted by LubdaNugs

I think a good approach would be genetic sharing between individual growers. Imagine if you had 3 mother plants that you liked and several other friends with a variety of mother plants. You could stay legal in plant counts and still have access to a wide variety of strains.

Sharing? Meh... maybe not so much. At least not between gardens... until proper pest/issue management is universal and becomes a non-issue itself.

Yes, it would be great to be able to trade an ounce of this with the neighbor for an ounce of that. Right now, I can't find anything acceptable in the county... the quality is that bad. Definitely have to change that before considering 'trade', of end goods, as an acceptable way to have other genetics than running it yourself.

Someone offered me a hit off a bowl of dispensary bud last night. LOL Thanks but (*gack*) no thanks, bub. Truly nasty stuff in this area.



Ok... so let's change course a bit... who knows anything about equipment depreciation in regards to hydroponics?

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Edit: Why does this seem like pulling teeth?

Originally Posted by Hydro-Soil

Sharing? Meh... maybe not so much. At least not between gardens... until proper pest/issue management is universal and becomes a non-issue itself.

Yes, it would be great to be able to trade an ounce of this with the neighbor for an ounce of that. Right now, I can't find anything acceptable in the county... the quality is that bad. Definitely have to change that before considering 'trade', of end goods, as an acceptable way to have other genetics than running it yourself.

Someone offered me a hit off a bowl of dispensary bud last night. LOL Thanks but (*gack*) no thanks, bub. Truly nasty stuff in this area.



Ok... so let's change course a bit... who knows anything about equipment depreciation in regards to hydroponics?

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Edit: Why does this seem like pulling teeth?

Standard equipment can be depreciated out over 5 years. some things sooner. Being it is for agriculture you may be able to do it quicker. You need to speak with a tax attorney.

[Hydro-Soil]

So... you can't travel with a full ounce, or more.

This means that the owner of the plant that needs harvesting will have to transport the plant to their house for trimming. Growers will definitely have to look in to lockable transportation for small to 'large?' sized plants that are in full bloom. LOL
That right there doesn't sound like a lot of fun. Still... that's a whole sight better than making 16 trips to 'bring the harvest home', eh? LOL

Storage Unit complex owners... I can see people who own storage unit sites putting in power and equipment in a few units, enough to handle the plants for 16 people.


Any lawyers or paralegals want to take a crack at the contract authorizing someone else to tend their plants? Or the one absolving the grower of liabilities they shouldn't be harnessed with?

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