[KITCHA]

I have just heard on Triple J the upper house of the Australian government is having an inquiry into MMJ in Australia!!!

It also mentioned 69% of people were in favour of having MMJ as an option for medical treatments...

Could this be the start of something good? I hope and pray

Peace Kit-

P.S This could be good news for Tony Bower a good man being dragged through the courts for helping his fellow people...

[noyd666]

yes about time, most of these inquirys go nowhere,but like you say could be a start of some sensible dialogue from brain dead suits.

[noyd666]

lol just on news cops in n.s.w. past week have seized 7 million in weed. called aradication marijuana 0012.. 0013. legal long way off i think.

[PhenoMenal]

The politicians who vote against it have clearly never had family members having to go through chemotherapy/radiotherapy before.

[hard rain]

OK, this is the NSW upper house, not Australian. Good news nonetheless.

NSW inquiry on medical use of marijuana
by state political reporter Sarah Gerathy

Updated Fri Nov 23, 2012 9:54am AEDT
Map: NSW

The New South Wales Opposition says an Upper House inquiry into the medical use of marijuana will help the debate to be dominated by evidence, instead of dogma.

A cross-party committee will look at whether marijuana can be used as an effective and safe form of pain relief for sufferers of certain illnesses, such as cancer and AIDS.

Labor's leader in the Upper House Luke Foley, who moved the motion to set up the inquiry, says it will also examine what legal implications surround the medical use of cannabis and how it might be supplied.

"We want to hear from clinicians on up-to-date medical evidence," he said.

"We want to hear from lawyers on the legal issues, and researchers, and get to the bottom of this with evidence rather than dogma."

He says the inquiry's findings should shape state policy on the issue.

"If the evidence comes in that there is a role for medicinal use of cannabis for a certain number of illnesses, I would support reform in that area," he said.

"But lets get the evidence in first - that's why we've formed the inquiry yesterday."

The head of of the Australian Drug Law Reform Foundation says strong measures must be put in place to ensure medicinal cannabis is not used as a gateway to recreational use.

Doctor Alex Wodak says 69 per cent of Australians support the use of medicinal cannabis while 75 per cent support a trial.

He says there is a case for its use in some circumstances.
"It's not a first line drug," he said.

"But, if the first line or second line drug doesn't work for you and you've got terrible symptoms - especially from a terminal condition - then I think we should be able to in a civilised and compassionate society like Australia, we should be able to allow people to use it."

The committee will report back in May.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-2...ijuana/4387620

[stonedwarrior]

this shits me off, more than makes me happy.

It's been proven, Cannabis is an effective pain treatment, amongst other things

There is legal med use in how many US states now?

Why do we need an enquiry that's going to cost the taxpayers big bank, when it is a KNOWN FACT weed can be used as a SAFE and effective and safe form of pain relief for sufferers of illnesses such as cancer and AIDS, amongst other things


Bottom line though? I can see this going nowhere.

[Rumblefish]

Yup I see this going nowhere and its already destined for failure . "But, if the first line or second line drug doesn't work for you and you've got terrible symptoms - especially from a terminal condition - then I think we should be able to in a civilized and compassionate society like Australia, we should be able to allow people to use it." So lets see now,your sick,very sick,you have to face chemo or maybe your living with a debilitating terminal illness ,your treatment is making you ill beyond believe none off the drugs that are supposed to relieve the side effects of the primary treatment drugs are working and you doctor say's to you its OK you can go score some pot down the pub !or you can grow some for your self, should be ready in 3-4 months give it a cure for a month or so...meanwhile your already dead and spent the last few months of you life in a living hell,these politicians sitting around talking about this have not the first clue and cant be trusted to do what the clear majority off Australians want them to do,I see the only way Aussie's are going to make change is to get organized and take it to the streets,We have been beaten into submission by a system backed up by cops that want to kick our doors in and terrorize us for doing doing nothing more than growing a weed,its got to involve more than the good folk off Nimbin ,its got to be everyone,the hard working tradies who come home and like to have a puff instead off getting pissed,the white collar office workers, the good mum's and dad's of Australia who quietly go around their business and have to live in fear of the cops kicking in your door and destroying their house just over a bit of weed , that's who has to deliver the message .Bloody cops are supposed to be there to make us feel safe not terrorizing quite and peaceful people....end rant

[Bud buster]

Good points all around but you have to find study's showing the idiots in charge the proven anti cancer benefits and the multitude of other benefits for many other illnesses look up granny list here or on the net and print off some of the best study's make your own cover letters highlighting the results of the study along with a link to granny's list it's over 400 pages of just links to study's.

It is up to us to change the laws by lobbing the Idiot's that run our countries to see the truth if you do nothing you can expect nothing.

[Penguin59]

Originally Posted by stonedwarrior

this shits me off, more than makes me happy.

It's been proven, Cannabis is an effective pain treatment, amongst other things

There is legal med use in how many US states now?

Why do we need an enquiry that's going to cost the taxpayers big bank, when it is a KNOWN FACT weed can be used as a SAFE and effective and safe form of pain relief for sufferers of illnesses such as cancer and AIDS, amongst other things


Bottom line though? I can see this going nowhere.

I agree mate but they've gotta go through all the evidence AGAIN to show the electorate that they dot all their Is and cross their Ts before pushing for reform.

Oz is really behind the pace when it comes to medical mj but hopefully this is the push we need! I say get pissed off when they go through the inquiry and then publish a statement that says "there is no conclusive evidence to suggest that marijuana has any medicinal benefit". Note that they will opt for using the term "marijuana" instead of "cannabis" as "marijuana" has recreational-only connotations.

[OldSkoolKlein]

Are there any tips we can use from how some states went from the situation we are in now, to the situation they are in now; California may be an example. Yeah I know the whole hippy culture thing is there blah blah blah.

I'll try again. Is there any states in the U.S. that had a real change of heart due to EVIDENCE, not narrow minded misinformation/emotion? That is similar in demographics etc to Aust, but after evidence, reasoning and calling the lawmakers bluff (prove I lie) in regards to some of the bullshit claims they currently make?

As some have said, this may be the only chance we get for a long time. I really don't want this to be screwed up. I'm for copying ideas, and learning from others mistakes. granted our political systems are VERY different, and this will have had some bearing as to how it got done in the States.

We need to see where the similarities are, and where the differences are. What are the differences that would be barriers here, what are the similarities that can further the cause?

I'll throw one out there to start with. MULLAWAY. Going back to what I said b4 about 'prove I lie' he'd be a good case to start with. Guess what (non-smoking/anti pot) people? You can use pot to make tinctures that don't get you stoned! I'm pretty damn sure he's had scientific papers done on his stuff.

This might be one of many fronts we can EDUCATE people. Again look at other peoples struggles, learn from their mistakes, build on their successes. We need to look at the anti MMJ arguments, and see how they can be countered. Because I will guarantee my left nut they will go hard on the 'Pot is evil' shit.

But if we can get there 1st, with strong evidence, and then say 'Over to you champ, what's the argument against that?' it may just make some people think. Don't forget as well the baby boomers are getting to retirement age. And with that huge section of the population getting into their 60's think of the massive strain it WILL have on the health system. People think the hospital system is shit now? We have it very fucking good now, compared to how it will be in 10, 15, 20 yrs from now. If there are cases where we can show that the govt can save $ with the PBS (Pharmacuetical Benefits Scheme) by using pot, funnel some $ into education and research, again it weakens their argument.

But, one danger area is going to be the psychological effects horror stories we will get. So, Make it for over 21 year olds (not 18, brain is still growing till about 23-25?). That'll weaken the argument a bit.

I remember a Bill Cosby routine where he tell his secret to winning arguments with his wife. We (Aussie IC maggers) are Bill, the govt is his wife.

It's paraphrased here, but this is the gist of it.

'You know how I win arguments with my wife? I cry first! I leave my underwear on the sink, I'm the one who spends all the time in the bathroom... She can't beat me at anything. But I love her, yes I do.'

So If we admit some of the 'bad stuff' before they do, but come up with safeguards to a degree, it weakens their arguments/hysteria, and MAYBE some from the other side may have a think and say to themselves "shit someone has thought about this a bit".

We can get another group onside with the food/fibre/oil part, and include that in the argument to muddy the waters in our favour, as again, they will use periphial arguments to muddy the waters. Again get in there 1st and make them prove we lie.