[Mustafunk]

Originally Posted by idiit

bsc's zamal is very good work. luiz has released Christophe's aka gypsy zamal aka mafate zamal that so far is hermie free on 7 out of 7 zamals I've run. this is the first christophe zamal stock reproduction I know of that is hermie free.j I've got three purple zamal plants going right now in flower and no hermies so far. the undersides of the leaves exhibit purple as do the stems.

Hey bro, in my opinion that probably was because he reproduced them from an old P1 stock rather than his "good work" cleaning the line (no pun intented but Luiz was a grower trying to maintain a few seedlines and make some cash), while for example at Vibes C. some of the first reproductions were done using intersex males since the very begginings, leading into a blatant intersex offspring in the subsequent F2-F7 generations.

I guess it has to do with that commonly widespread belief about using any males available in order to reproduce a line, even if they are intersex, for the sake of preservation. Fatal mistake from a breeding perspective I guess. Reproduction after reproduction this kept damaging the line, no intersex clean-up, no potency/terpene selection at all... just messing it up year after year. That's why we really need to educate growers and sometimes we say that preserving is not as simple as it looks.

I tried to revitalize the line this season with old frozen Gypsy's P1 stock with the hope of finding firm males but unfortunately none appeared within the seeds. Just keeping the best purple P1 female myself in order to outcrosss with other several Reunionese strains.

Peace.

[idiit]

it's often a total pain in the ass (unsuccessful) trying to remove hermies from hermie prone seed stock in my limited experience.

zamalito blew the whistle on luiz's breeding practices. luiz was not even close to a meticulous breeder like kaiki for example. not in the same league.

despite this luiz has put out some excellent work.

the cohiba seed stock has some great phenos. when purchasing raw landraces ( even ones contaminated with other landraces and/or adam genetics) the growers need to take some responsibility for subsequent in line breeding. the phenos from selection by subsequent growers utilized out of heterogeneous seed stock is paramount. the raw seed stock contains the genetic diversity (good or bad). the ilb projects reduce genetic diversity but increases the odds of finding certain desirable phenos in the successful ilb projects.

it's getting so bad that regular seeds have almost no customers today according to a contact (bean/seed buddy) that is working with some seed banks. all ppl want is fems according to him; can't give away regular seeds according to his experience.

at least luiz made some strain genetics available that were not available previously, even if the reproductions were done in an environment rife with random pollen. cohiba has already produced some stellar phenos and we haven't even found the electric long lasting pheno yet. it's a gem mine. got's to go thru some dirt to find the treasures. not everything in this world is handed to you on a silver platter.

I was born way before generation entitlement.

[growingcrazy]

Originally Posted by idiit

^^ we don't have the father. neither does shanti iirc. one could reinvigorate run down ww strains though with an infusion of cohiba.

I took a ww freebe that lacked anything remarkable and crossed it with the paraguay cohiba pollen and got an excellent result.

I see. I didn't realize the father was entirely gone.

I have been running a WW that purples at about 60 days, finishes in 70-75. candy type pine flavor, not overly dense flowers. Branchy with medium height and stretch. Very potent. I would love to hit her with some cohiba pollen..

I have run WW seeds from most all of the large breeders and this has been my first real keeper matching what I remember from my younger days. Sad thing is, it came from Paradise WW IBL. I am not sure how legit they really are..

[idiit]

I have run WW seeds from most all of the large breeders and this has been my first real keeper matching what I remember from my younger days. Sad thing is, it came from Paradise WW IBL. I am not sure how legit they really are..

unless you are planning on selling seeds or clones all that really matters is performance imo. sounds like you got a great ww to me; especially with a tendency to go purple.

what kind of high does your ww yield growingcrazy? dies it have an indica type stone or is it more of a sativa up energetic go get things done, good mood enhancing high effects?

[rykus]

I'm intrigued! So cool to have the original breeder back too! Welcome Castroman!

I can only hope some people keep and work my strain when I'm out of it for a while, very cool history and community coming together.

Consider me subscribed!

[growingcrazy]

Originally Posted by idiit

unless you are planning on selling seeds or clones all that really matters is performance imo. sounds like you got a great ww to me; especially with a tendency to go purple.

what kind of high does your ww yield growingcrazy? dies it have an indica type stone or is it more of a sativa up energetic go get things done, good mood enhancing high effects?

I do enjoy making seeds but for my own personal searches. Currently looking for a good Satori male to make some crosses with. This widow will be one of them. Oddly i have marked it as phenotype "A" from germination...

I had to go smoke a bowl just for you idiit! Couldn't resist.

Onset starts in the roof of your mouth, trickles to the brain stem and just fades over your body. Nice tingle in your fingers and toes. All within 30 seconds or so. A small amount of visual light distortion occurs for the first 15 minutes or so. After about a half hour waves of motivation start coming. Usually will carry a nice solid buzz for 2-1/2 - 3 hours.

Day 72 or so. First run of her in no-till LOS.

[Lester Beans]

This thread is truely a pleasure to read. Thanks to all who have worked together to spread these rare plants around the globe in the name of preservation!

[wildgrow]

Idiit, love what youre doing across the board.

I hope you will indulge me a moment.

I got seeds labeled SSSC Lot M69 F2. I found out today that they were mislabeled. They should have said SSC Lot 69 F2. Bigsur made these beans.

So, if I can take this opportunity, Id like to invite you, Charlie, Stash, BigS, Huesos, Castroman and anyone else with some 1st hand knowledge to drop by this https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=325523 thread and fill me in on what it is that Im growing.

If its not cool, Ill slash the tires on this here post.

[idiit]

I gots no clue. madjag's got a thread:Sacred Seeds Skunk #1 in 1980:
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=317501

drop in and talk to these^ guys.

[Castroman]

Originally Posted by wildgrow

I got seeds labeled SSSC Lot M69 F2. I found out today that they were mislabeled. They should have said SSC Lot 69 F2. Bigsur made these beans.

I remember ordering an SSSC (Super Sativa Seed Club) paper catalogue from Amsterdam, it was a prized possession for many years. Listed there was a strain called M39, which was a Skunk #1 crossed with Basic #5 (most likely what we called today Northern Lights # 5). So my best guess is that's what you have, with two observations:

- M39 vs M69: The first is an SSSC strain as mentioned. The second is probably a Freudian slip by Bigsur.
- SSSC vs SSC: I am pretty sure M39 was swapped around in the Seed Swap Club (SSC) were both Bigsur and myself were members.

PS: By the way, I think it's high time we set up one such club anew. We can make it a secret society, call it "Skunk and Bones", have modern security measures like PGP encryption in all PMs containing swapping info, and require all candidates go through a mandatory "Neville's Hazing" before being admitted as full members.