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[growingcrazy]

In for this one. WW has been a strain I have been chasing since I had my first taste. I still can't believe this thread came together.

[idiit]

^^ we don't have the father. neither does shanti iirc. one could reinvigorate run down ww strains though with an infusion of cohiba.

I took a ww freebe that lacked anything remarkable and crossed it with the paraguay cohiba pollen and got an excellent result.

the gator cohiba is exceptionally strong re potency and extremely frosty. it's going to be a lot of fun to work with. i'm working on getting a great male that matches the gator female to make some nice beans. i'd like to send these up to the server fund so all could partake. haven't found a great male yet.

[Mustafunk]

A nice quite from Castroman himself on the origin of his cohiba hybrid:

Originally Posted by FidelCastro

Just wanted to share this shot for its sheer beauty: a ladybug visiting the flowering top of a Cohiba (a mix of Paraguayan, Brazilian and Columbian sativas with a touch of Indica for lower flowering time).

I entered that quote on Cannagenetics, it is from a private message I got from Cloneking / PureSativa in 2002 when he first tested the Cohiba, a mostly sativa bred by me. PureSativa is right on the money, with its ultra-strong heady effect and long lasting high, Cohiba is top grade indeed. I don't know who made or sold those C-Bay beans, but I still have original Cohiba beans in case anybody is interested

Outstanding thread people. I love seeing old friends meeting up again exchanging stories and info!

Reminds me of a piece of Heaven

[Castroman]

Originally Posted by idiit

I recently harvested a pheno from castroman cohiba/Paraguay cohiba. she is the frostiest landrace I've experienced and looks to be as frosty as any pure landrace sativa I've seen pics of. the taste is identical to the taste of some phenos of aww I've grown out; exactly the same. it's a unique almost bitter, almost biting hashy taste.

Based on frost and taste there is plenty to suspect that the mom of white widow is a Cohiba pheno. castroman has reported that there is a Brazilian cohiba strain. the one thing that leaves doubt in my mind is the high. the cohiba phenos I've harvested are usually pretty heavy sativa highs. the aww I've grown usually have a much more typical sativa up, energetic type high effect. jojo's aww is actually an ww with some skunk genetics added so the aww high effects might be influenced by an energetic skunk in the genetic mix. I don't have experience with another good ww to compare high effects.

there are some aww phenos that are very sweet tasting. I have a aww from jojo seed stock that is exceptionally sweet tasting. I have run one cohiba/ww pheno that tasted like cotton candy. then there are some aww phenos with an almost acrid hashy/earth taste identical to most of the cohibas I've run.

this special cohiba I now have as clones and mom re-vegged is also very potent. extremely potent, very frosty and the exact same unique earthy hashy almost acrid taste I found in some jojo aww phenos I've run.

Great work Idiit, your dedication and power of observation are paying off. Personally I never encountered this Gator pheno, but it could be that my vision field was already biased by so many years of work into the same line. Like an old girlfriend, it was such a "familiar face" that you end up projecting the image stored in your mind rather than updating the latest wrinkles. I'm also baffled by your description of the effect, the Cohiba I sent out had an electric, racy, immediate effect that for the first minutes could be too much of a rush for some but then, like a plane finding its ideal altitude after the initial ascent, found and extremely pleasant cruising speed where you could settle for the long flight and enjoy the trip.

If I were to hazzard a guess as to why you are getting this heavier effect, perhaps the original three-way combination has shifted a bit and is now expressing this heavier high (remember Brazil and Paraguay got into the MJ business using Colombian genetics in origin, so all three can express the heavier Colombian sativa effect). I don't know what batch these seeds descend from, the second "New Cohiba" was the one expressing the best pheno in at least half the progeny. I always open pollenated with several chosen males in order to avoid bottlenecking, preserve vigor and reinforce the lucky combination that produced the long-lasting electric effect, but I sent the last batch out in 2002 and selection bias may have been introduced into the line by an unknown number of intervening seed-making generations. The good news is, even though it might now take a bit larger sample to find it, the electric gene is still there.

[idiit]

i'm wanting the electric gene. I use santa maria now but I would love to find that supreme long lasting electric cohiba that you have posted on.

there are lots of interesting phenos popping out, lots of exploration ahead.

I don't know of anyone but me who posts that is working the cohiba line; Paraguay cohiba from bsc and castroman cohiba stock.

[Castroman]

Originally Posted by idiit

i'm wanting the electric gene. I use santa maria now but I would love to find that supreme long lasting electric cohiba that you have posted on.

there are lots of interesting phenos popping out, lots of exploration ahead.

I don't know of anyone but me who posts that is working the cohiba line; Paraguay cohiba from bsc and castroman cohiba stock.

The big question is what relation does the Paraguay Cohiba from BSC have to mine. Did this BSC vendor specify that the seeds came from me? It could be that he simply liked the name and was not aware of my line, or that he actually got a very early version of the Cohiba. For the record, I first circulated the seeds under the Cohiba name in 1989, face to face, way before the Internet. Some were planted and grown out near Rio de Janeiro, the same place where I found the cans that washed ashore with a super powerful mystery "maconha" that I used to shorten the flowering period. That obviously is another element that explains the heavier high in some individuals, even though I did backcross to minimize its influence in the high.

By the way, some people wondered if the story about the indica that washed ashore in cans was literary license, but it's true as this naval website reports:

Background on the "Solana Star": This ship was originally built as fishing in Taiwan, under the name Foo Lang III, years later underwent reforms in Australia being renamed Geraldtown Endeavour. In 1986 it was again renamed, this time as Solana Star Panamanian flag serving the company Compal Investments S.A. In September 1987 Solano Star passed the coast of Brazil, following the Asia to the USA. On September 14, the crew of the Star Solano, were told that the Federal Police and the Navy of Brazil already knew the marijuana charge that was on board. Brazilian authorities had been advised by the Drug Enforcement Administration DEA.

Marijuana Cans Float Ashore: To avoid being caught red-handed, the crew of the Star Solana dumped about 20,000 cans with 1.5 kilograms of marijuana each, on the shores of Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo. Of this total, the police only managed to recover about 2,500 cans. Thus, the Rio summer was characterized as "Summer of Lata" in reference to "good" quality of marijuana these containers, according to users. The ship was seized and arrested crew, but only the ship's cook was imprisoned, the other crew members fled the country.

The "Summer of the Can": The cans containing compressed marijuana with honey and glucose, they floated quietly until reaching the beaches of the coast of Rio de Janeiro and Sao Paulo. Few believed what was happening; the cans had a type of marijuana with higher THC content (the active ingredient of cannabis). In popular, they realized that many people spent the day in surfboards and other means "patrolling" the coast in search of cans and in sales mouths of the drug, the classic question was: "Is that the one from a can?".

The pot in those cans was so much better than anything that was available in Brazil at that time, that "da lata" ("from a can") became a slang term for something very desirable and entered popular culture through a song called "Veneno da Lata" (Canned Poison) by Fernanda Abreu, which is available on Youtube:

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[Mustafunk]

Originally Posted by Castroman

The big question is what relation does the Paraguay Cohiba from BSC has to mine.

It wouldn't be the first time that BSC sold other people's gear... Luiz got many seeds from different friends and unfortunately ended selling most of them. For example Angolese from LMN, Zamal and Celestial Temple from Vibes Collective via Rahan and so on.

He was a con artist besides some of his seeds were interesting. Having in mind that he was moving around the same circles as most sativa guys it wouldn't surprise me.

[idiit]

luiz has not disclosed where he obtained his Paraguay cohiba. the Paraguay cohiba matches taste wise with castomans nld type castroman cohibas.

i'm interested more in performance than anything else. luiz at bsc has some kick ass strains. I've run as many as anyone I've read posts on bsc.

bsc's zamal is very good work. luiz has released Christophe's aka gypsy zamal aka mafate zamal that so far is hermie free on 7 out of 7 zamals I've run. this is the first christophe zamal stock reproduction I know of that is hermie free.j I've got three purple zamal plants going right now in flower and no hermies so far. the undersides of the leaves exhibit purple as do the stems.

the bsc choco chiba is highly regarded by those that have run her.

luiz received quite a few of his strains from a friend that grows in South America and knows quite a few other growers down in south America.