[Weird]

I'm vastly underestimating yields..

and the costs that go along with them

I have been involved in the market for many decades and there has always been some region putting out better pot for a lower price

it has never been a threat ever

WHY?

because no grower I have ever met can produce 250 ( assuming 1.5 ounces per 2500 square foot) pounds of pot in one grow themselves and have it come out the same way they can 8 even 16 pounds of (100 - 200 sq ft or 4-8 1000 watts lights with a 5x5 foot print assuming close to 1.5 ounces)

once you increase your yields there is a law of declining returns in efforts unless you increase capital expense and employee costs to offset and on the books that starts getting very costly

if you think genes alone make every thing equal i would question your judgement when it comes top top shelf

[unregistered190]

Originally Posted by BredForMeds

non growers don't think a lot of work goes into growing.. they think u pop some seeds.. and get amazing weed

True......a lot more involved than the average person would know

[Tokin_Jo]

With 72 medical plants we only work about 15hrs a week max. With legal grow it would be somewhere between 100-120 plants.
30x120ft building with 18ft eaves. Polycarbonate year round greenhouse on top. Heated from below veg area and already heated garage. We helped build another caregiver couple's garage climate controlled greenhouse, co2 gen and monitors. Theirs was 20ft x 30ft with 12ft eaves and attached to their main house, entrance is upstairs bedroom. They have been growing for a year with no complaints from a few of their patients we know. They are getting 10 zips a plant but they are getting better. With 12 plants they easily get 100 oz a run which they claim is enough.

1lb per plant is easily obtainable in a 5x5 area which is 25 sqft. Scrog it maybe 2lbs. $1600/lb would equal over $60 square ft. 15yrs of 50 -500 plant grows you'd think we'd have it down by now. 2500 sqft = $150k run. We would be applying for tier 3 of course.

You must be using atleast 50% of canopy space, if not a reduction in canopy may occur. This was only a legislative proposal.


A. Categories. There are three categories as follows:
A. Tier 1 – Less than one thousand (1,000) square feet

B. Tier 2 – One thousand and one square (1,001) feet and above up to two thousand five hundred (2,500) square feet

C. Tier 3 – Three thousand and one (3,001) square feet and above up to seven thousand and five hundred (7,500) square feet

D. Tier 4 – Seven thousand and one (7,5001) square feet and above up to ten
thousand square feet.



B. Number of Licenses Issued. The bureau is authorized to license a minimum of the
number of the following licenses, and may adjust the allocation if it deems more square
footage is needed statewide:
A. Tier 1 – One-hundred (100); and
B. Tier 2 – Sixty (50); and
C. Tier 3 – Six (6); and
D. Tier 4 – Three (3).

[Tokin_Jo]

Originally Posted by 3gunpete

to what said.. Respect and appreciation. I give I give and I give...


In reality I was starting to fear being replaced by someone in a white lab coat employed by big pharma or whatever.
But now I want to think.. You can't replace what I do. Because it's my passion woven into every bit of who I am like it or not thick and thin I believe cannabis has chosen me.
So instead of tucking my tail I'm stepping up and owning the moment and living there as well. We will see where it all ends up in the long run. In the mean time just do the very best we can. Power to the people!!

Love and be loved

The lab coat fear is very real, along with the monsato weed, or "franken weed" we could see big pharma trying to impose on us. Quality always meant the most to us and is what we've been about from the beginning and has separated us from the rest. We used to get that $4k a pound as well and that was to dealers who got $5k or more for it in other states. In 2010 those days ended. We engaged more of our compassionate side. It just not about the money anymore for us.

[Weird]

Originally Posted by Tokin_Jo

The lab coat fear is very real, along with the monsato weed, or "franken weed" we could see big pharma trying to impose on us. Quality always meant the most to us and is what we've been about from the beginning and has separated us from the rest. We used to get that $4k a pound as well and that was to dealers who got $5k or more for it in other states. In 2010 those days ended. We engaged more of our compassionate side. It just not about the money anymore for us.

well maybe that is the problem

for you its was about the money and because you were you simply about the money you see everyone else the same way

In my neck of the woods there are far better risk to reward ratios to be found in illicit markets than growing and most growers I know do so out of a passion and a desire for good weed, and for some people the money is simply a consequence of succeeding in that goal

people who see the small time grower as greedy really dont understand the concept as it exists here in America

[Pangea]

You got er down tokin jo.

You could sell for much less than $100/z and still make a nice living, correct?

[Tokin_Jo]

Originally Posted by Pangea

You got er down tokin jo.

You could sell for much less than $100/z and still make a nice living, correct?

One of our friends called me from colorado and wanted to use us as a reference for a dispensory he had applied at. He's learned alot for us to say the least. Our question last x-mas was; "What is their bottom dollar they need to make to keep the doors open?" Last week he emails $60/ounce. This is based on a 10,000 sqft canopy. We know we could keep the doors open now at $100/oz but just barely because of electrical costs. The greenhouse will cure that. A possible plan is to charge our patients $100/oz if caregivers are ever given an unlimited patient count, then charge $150/zip in the legal market. Its going to be an open market. There will be no cottage industry but what we're hearing from our sources their wont be the "corporate giants" like the tomato gardens in madison either.

Our patients are Electricians, plumbers, finish carpenters, an engineer, a truck driver, mill wrights, ect... Even a relative of a legislator*.

[Pangea]

Originally Posted by Tokin_Jo

One of our friends called me from colorado and wanted to use us as a reference for a dispensory he had applied at. He's learned alot for us to say the least. Our question last x-mas was; "What is their bottom dollar they need to make to keep the doors open?" Last week he emails $60/ounce. This is based on a 10,000 sqft canopy. We know we could keep the doors open now at $100/oz but just barely because of electrical costs. The greenhouse will cure that. A possible plan is to charge our patients $100/oz if caregivers are ever given an unlimited patient count, then charge $150/zip in the legal market. Its going to be an open market. There will be no cottage industry but what we're hearing from our sources their wont be the "corporate giants" like the tomato gardens in madison either.

Our patients are Electricians, plumbers, finish carpenters, an engineer, a truck driver, mill wrights, ect... Even a relative of a legislator*.

Up north in Canada our medical system is changing from personal production to commercial licenses. The gov is not limiting the number of licenses issues, nor are there limits on patient numbers, plant numbers etc. There are many big and smaller players trying to get in on it.

I will be charging a base price of $2/gram taxes and shipping included, which will cover all costs and allow for expansion.


A common flawed argument is that a producer can provide meds for a few "legit" sick folk at no or little cost while charging the "rec" user normal black market type prices to make up the difference. Why not just make a living wage and have a fair price for all? I know many who are extremely ill or sick or disabled that are not able to access the medical programs due to docs not endorsing their use. I dont know of any rec user that has access and uses medical grade ganja that isn't healthier and gaining medicinal benefit, preventative use is key.

There are millions of folks chomping at the bit to grow cannabis, large and small, if you are not prepared for prices lower than $100/oz you going to have a bad time...

[Tokin_Jo]

Here's is a topic that one of you interestingly enough started about colorado prices.

Originally Posted by Aeroguerilla

24-28 is a fair price for indoor. curious to see what the quality looks like you got any pics?

Interesting opinions everywhere, lets atleast be consistant in general.

Originally Posted by Hazy Eye

Avg. Dispense zip is about $150.
Street is between $100-150 a zip.
Quality Indoor lb for $2000-2400.
This is what things are right now in my circle.

[Pophamseasmoke]

LOL you both are dreaming. But good luck no where in canada or the us are they paying 100 an oz. And as see on many forums including this Canada has been shifting to big growers for the last 2 years and taking away the little guys rights. You see so many journals talk'n about the Canadian gov. Doesn't want people growing there own. And look at the prices in Colorado there only going up it's simple supply and demand not greed. Overhead, Employees are all reality's but when it is totally legal there's going to be a gap between the available supply and the demand. But we are still a few years away from legalization anyway. We are closer then we have ever been though and that's a good thing!!