[purple clouds]

On the mota mortal,
Luiz was friends with preservation dude and got the acapulco gold directly from him. The purple haze came from 20'thai and is most likely not a pure haze.

idiit could you elaborate on "luiz got a lot of his seed stock from zamalito"? This just sounds ridiculous to me...

[idiit]

"luiz got a lot of his seed stock from zamalito and zamalito ran the Acapulco gold from dr. gt. I don't know where luiz got his phz. luiz says he has preservation dude's acapulco gold but did zamalito hand pd's ag to luiz? no one knows at this time." my quote

"Luiz was friends with preservation dude and got the acapulco gold directly from him" purpleclouds



"idiit could you elaborate on "luiz got a lot of his seed stock from zamalito"? This just sounds ridiculous to me... "

^ hey purple clouds! don't you know you're not supposed to call your friends out in public like that?


you might have gotten me on that, nice call. I re-researched the threads 'cause I like to get things right (sometimes takes a while) and I enjoyed rereading old posts.


here's the deal: I asked luiz over countless emails about the provenance ( sourcing) of his strains AND IT WAS LIKE PULLING TEETH. Luiz did not answer some questions that I asked three separate times on more than one strain.


I may have overestimated zamalito's contribution in sourcing bsc seed strains.


the oaxacan highland red that I called jezebel (hor) was a dead ringer for zamalitos oaxacan that he personally sourced. however, luiz according to below quotes sourced preservation dude's oaxacan. luiz would not give out the sourcing. I made some assumptions it seems from re-reading old posts. don't know. still murky area.

Im only familarized with Gypsy's version ( he was very kind to gift me 15 zamal seeds years ago even before we met in person, thank you!). But if there are other sativa populations with the same extreme potency or other equally interesting traits, then there's a HUGE genetic potential in the island.

zamalito
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=43843&page=2

Thanks for the kind words about bsc guys. Bsc consists of Luiz and I.

Its actually kind of funny that these questions appeared in a sssc thread. We are part of a larger group of breeders yet to be named that represents bsc and 3 other breeders who all share breding stock

zamalito
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....925#post942925

[quote]Breeders Choice supplied BSC with Colombian Black, Punto Rojo and gold amongst other lines from our collection, these lines where collected in Colombia by one of our partners and we sent them to BSC. No problem there as we are a 'open source' seed co, happy to share with other seedco's. I am sure L will have fun with them and hope when he has his land up and running he can work with them in the future in the correct manner. He has our full support and it would be great to see BSC go into the future for sure.

Peace, hhf [quote]
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38917&page=13










here's the strains that fritzman for sure gets credit for sourcing other than zamalito:

Here's what Lu has given me to work on.

Brasilian Green
Aracaju Red
Manga Rosa
Santa Marta
Columbian Black/Wacky Weed (seeds unbred from region of origin)
Punta Roja (also unbred from region)
Puna Budder (unbred direct from hawaii, I know its not south american but still cool)

zamalito
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=41526&page=5

Luiz has a peruvian skunk.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=41526&page=11

During my trip I acquired a very large amount (500+) of cabeça de nego seeds from the same batch as the plants pictured above.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=41526&page=20


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in defense of luiz's contribution to the bsc seed strains and the quality of these bsc strains:

If you want to put facts straight, there is also an issue about the percentage that would have been left to Luiz after he gave all his seedlines that he took so much years to catch... hehehehe But is not the place to discuss these things. Your conclusion is linked with the fact you have a full confidence on Zamalito's opinion, much respect for you and him but I had the opportunity to hear the two versions and things are never clear in this shitty business.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38917&page=15

I don't know precisely the projects of the BSC but from what I understood, there will be some good things to try. I saw some work of the breeder on Zamal lines and they look awesome pure sativas.

I just tried its Colombian gold, which is probably an indica cultivar adapted by Colombian drug sellers. It is very potent and has a very nice smell. Not a very good producer but very good stuff. Some hermies in it however.

Here is a short report from a tester of the strain:

"The Colombian Santa Marta gold from BSC is imho the most potent of the list. When successfully grown (and I'm sure it would be the case in your hands :wink: ) she is near to be intoxicating. Very strong high, thick and potent. The kind of high that crushes your brain. If you try to resist, then you can just observe that you can not resist lol The first time I tried it, I smoked a pure spliff alone. After the three first tokes, I was already laughing alone because I could not believe it was so strong lol

After the first half of the spliff, I had to take some rest, playing to the computer and listening to the music. At this time, I was really upset. So I decided to continue, and at the 3/4 of the spliff, I discovered a new line bass in the "Stir it up" from Bob Marley. It was a cd that I was listening to for many years and it was only now that i discovered it lol

Then I finished the spliff and I had to go to the armchair. I woke up two hours later because there was storm outside and the lightenings and thunder told me it was time to go to bed :wink: It is near an indica high but not fully. If you smoke it with intelligency, it can produce a nice sedative narcotic effect of the best quality for your physical pains. I like it a lot altough it is hard to find the right moment to smoke it. Experienced smokers told me that they had many difficulties with it, with strong anxiety and heart beating. I personnally did not experienced but can consider it because she is strong, it is true."

I'm currently finishing a grow of a selected F1 hybrid of BSC Colombian gold x Jamaican Blue Mountains'85. Looks interesting, very robust to grow, a good mix between Colombian and Jamaican shape and odour. Looks very colombian, sativa. If the stuff is good, I may try to inbred the line just for play, I made some F2 seeds.

Anyway, BSC stuff is very well known, tested by many consumers and breeders, and apart from the hermie things that appears on some strains (as in many true landraces in fact), I have not seen bad reports on them.

I believe he will keep his good fixed prices and that may help to convince people to ask him to distribute other landrace lines that are not worked in Brazil, to support his company.

Well, time will tell, as usual. Things are so much complicated in the seed business

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=38917&page=14

[idiit]

back to Preservation Dude's Acapulco gold:

here is a little information on preservation dude that sourced the Acapulco gold vermontman and I wll each separately trial run this year:

flintstoners aka 3lb (three little birds)
^^ https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=53116

so, is Preservation Dude Redman the breeder?


if pd is redman the breeder then the provenance of our Acapulco gold just got some street cred.


"i was given a box of seeds from a friend, who was related to an old grower in NorCal who had passed away some five years ago. I wasnt told much about the seeds or the grower except that they were getting old and that the grower was a "fixture" up north. So I get the box home and start going through the collection. Strains like Oaxacan, MM, Redman Skunk, Cohiba, Solola, Colombia gold, Burmese, Paraguyan, Manga Rosa, Punta Roja and more. Some are labeled with who sent them and who received them. The senders are all different but the recipient is the same on all that are labeled. KERNAL KOZMIC aka Preservationdude! What are the chances!! I knew this dude!!! Not in real life but online. I had read some of his posts and even remembered reading about his passing away. Any how. The list of seeds is pretty long. Lots of old school landraces, Skunk #1 from 1988 and many many crosses.

I'd love to hear from Dubi, Charlie and a few other guy that I know he worked with. The list of seeds is long so I'll get to posting it as soon as I can.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....nk#post3518591 resin lung

"I remember well Kernal Kozmic RIP. We were sharing same forums long ago and exchanged lines with him and many others, some of nicests friends around in those times" kaiki aka Charlie Garcia cbg seeds
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....nk#post3518591









"I wonder if that's the same Redman Skunk created by the late Preservation Dude from CannabisWorld. I believe The 3lbs/Flintstoners were fooling around with it for awhile but it was a long time ago."
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....nk#post5144408


if you do advanced search and type in redman under username you get 10 different redman's.

[harvestreaper]

intersting reading iddit thanks,,runnning a few of these myself the aromas smell lovely just in veg

[idiit]

intersting reading iddit thanks,,runnning a few of these myself the aromas smell lovely just in veg

excellent. we need a few ppl to run these beans so we get a good independent review base.


get your post count up to 50 harvestreaper so that you have private messaging privileges.


did you buy your ag beans from bsc?

[bigmotaman48]

Thanks for the thread info Satva . This kind of weed will , Ihope make it,s way to people who can,t grow ,the dispensary weed looks all the same , I feel sorry for the people who have to exist on that shit .

The main problem is that the United States doesn't have a tropical environment and it's illegal to import cannabis. Once the laws relax and you can import herb from Thailand, Sumatra, Colombia, Africa, Latin America, India the long flowering sativas will rise again.

They are just too much of a pain in the ass to grow indoors, and many firmly believe that some lines are strictly ment for growing outdoors.

With the current knowledge available on curing I think they might be better than ever.

Legal outdoor imports will change the cannabis world forever.

I mean come on who doesn't want an ounce of Rojo from Red Riders finca? I know I do!

[satva]

Great information idiit, you're quite the researchdude... hehehe.

Any plant pictures ever show up in those Acapulco Gold discussions?

Nice grow thread on Reeferman's Acapulco Gold, unfortunately, the grower noted no visible trichome resin production fairly late in flowe. This one hermied and he never posted a smoke report. Definitely old school growth structure on Reeferman's Acapulco Gold.

Phenotypes in Chimera's 1973 Highland Guerrero x Blueberry have similar flowering structure to some of the last pictures shown in flower.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?threadid=14474

Picture from Snowhigh - grown by Snowhigh of his ~ Acapuclo Gold variety. Wake me up when we find this pheno-type. Not 100% certain its pure Acapulco Gold or the Acapulco Gold x C99 cross that Snowhigh uses. In any case, its a beauty!



PS> Are people aware of the ColombiaCultiva website. It where Charlie Garcia is posting on Cannabiogen's varieties. In addition to Charlie's ColombiaCultiva has several nice oudoor Colombian grow reports on Punto Rojo. Everyone's speaking Spanish, imagine that.

[idiit]

"Any plant pictures ever show up in those Acapulco Gold discussions?"


not yet. maybe we'll get some this fall.

Originally Posted by Bob Green

The main problem is that the United States doesn't have a tropical environment and it's illegal to import cannabis. Once the laws relax and you can import herb from Thailand, Sumatra, Colombia, Africa, Latin America, India the long flowering sativas will rise again.

They are just too much of a pain in the ass to grow indoors, and many firmly believe that some lines are strictly ment for growing outdoors.

With the current knowledge available on curing I think they might be better than ever.

Legal outdoor imports will change the cannabis world forever.

I mean come on who doesn't want an ounce of Rojo from Red Riders finca? I know I do![/quote

^^ so true. the biggest obstacle I find is the general public has no love for our landrace sativas. indica dom, frosty chunky nugs are the rage and it's been that way for decades. I've been forced in my commercial strains to go indica dom.


many Mexican strains are known for their ability to acclimate to more northern environments. ths makes the possibility of finding a really nice guerreran even more appealing.


:Guatemala strain has many traits related to mexican sativas: vigorous branchy structure, clear up high, moderate flowering time, easy to acclimatize to northern latitudes.
[/quote] dubi
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....matize+mexican post#7.


"Whatever survives in NYC to this day may well be Haze, but to me, it's just as likely that some old Mexican/Colombian genes from another origin also survive and are still being grown and sold. Many Mexicans will finish well outside the tropics and it is very definitely possible to acclimate a tropical plant to a more northerly latitude over years." indifferent
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....an#post3446080

[harvestreaper]

Originally Posted by idiit

excellent. we need a few ppl to run these beans so we get a good independent review base.


get your post count up to 50 harvestreaper so that you have private messaging privileges.


did you buy your ag beans from bsc?

yea the more the merrier , yes the beans came from bsc have had a few nice ones from him ,, dunno how long it will take to make 50 posts ha, you can get me on mrnice until then if you fancy a pm id like to bend your ear myself, interesting what you say about mexicans aclimatising im trying a fast oaxaca outdoors this season an last season two difrent skunk /haze phenos carrying good dose mexican outdone the purpose breds for our area one on yeild and the other showed to be the most mold resistant over all the others ,,also hoping for a male ag to put across the oaxaca ,, we live in hope ,
atb