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Leathermonster · 10-31-2012, 02:50 AM

So, i am using plugs and a tray with a dome under a 150w hps and rooting gel of course but my issue is that the clones will die and when i pull them out the ends look limp and melted. I think they have too much water cause i can squeeze a ton of water out of the plugs the dead clones were in. I dont add that much water to the tray underneath but im thinking i shouldnt water the tray at all but keep them moist from the top. My buddy thinks i should use rockwool cubes over a layer of perlite and i think i agree. I have 20 clones set up that are 4 days old and would like to up my success rate now instead of next time around. Any help?

joe guy · 10-31-2012, 03:13 AM

Just barley keep thhem moist i put my plugs in plastic dixi cups and top water with medicine syringe just the little one they onlly need like half tea spoon just under the 2.5ml mark..and lil water sprayed on the dome and in the bottom thats y i use the cups to keep them away from.excess water. You want that bitch to search for.the water make her work for it or shes just gonna get lazy .. And try the dutch master replicator cheap as shit 12 for 2 fl oz.. It suucks the air bubble out of the stem kinda like burping the lil baby and a micro climate stablizer... Told someone on diffrent thread that my wife took two cuts 3 days ago and they are both still strong... And keep in mind all she dose is smoke it no experience whats so ever gardning... Thats the true test of any product let a complete noob try it if it works its good shit...good luck with ur babies bro...

joe guy · 10-31-2012, 03:17 AM

Oh yeha and four days in u should be safe to gently squeez the excess water out of ur plugs since thre shouldnt have too many if any roots yet..and add some of ur gel u have now and dilute it a lil then reMOISTEN them not drench em with ur diluted gel just incase u saturated the existing gel out of the plug...

smoke1sun · 10-31-2012, 04:04 AM

I would make sure my moms are healthy. This was 1 thing i did to increase my success rate.

Don2Cups · 10-31-2012, 04:10 AM

make them work harder, try not to water them until they use up all the water in the cube/plug whatever your using. id rather let them wilt from not enough water than wilt from to much water...
i usually only average 2 waterings for my clones until they root (10-14 days) in just straight coco in a solo cup. average 95% success always.

medicalmj · 10-31-2012, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Leathermonster

So, i am using plugs and a tray with a dome under a 150w hps and rooting gel of course but my issue is that the clones will die and when i pull them out the ends look limp and melted. I think they have too much water cause i can squeeze a ton of water out of the plugs the dead clones were in. I dont add that much water to the tray underneath but im thinking i shouldnt water the tray at all but keep them moist from the top. My buddy thinks i should use rockwool cubes over a layer of perlite and i think i agree. I have 20 clones set up that are 4 days old and would like to up my success rate now instead of next time around. Any help?

First, I use flouro's over a humidity dome. I have used both RW and Root Riot @ 99.9%. The pre-soaked cubes are placed into dome and the dome is NOT lifted for a week or if/when the cubes look dry (usually no less than 5-7 days). When using the Root Riots it may be less than 7 days as RW wont dry as quick. After that 7+- days I will water cubes w 6.5 ph solution w Vitamin B and/or a clone solution. Haven't noticed any diff between. After this initial lifting of the dome check moisture level and add solution when needed, which should be at most one or two more times. Make sure there is no substantial standing water in tray. After an additional 5-7 days roots will/should be poppin. So give those girls 10-14 days to see roots. If you have damping off, somethings wrong.

Only other variable to consider is your cutting process. Care to describe?

wildgrow · 10-31-2012, 04:28 AM

Ive lost cuttings from other people, but not a clone that Ive cut yet. When I cut, I put them directly into a cup of water. After Ive taken all the cuts from 1 plant (at a time), I dunk them in rooting powder (being sure to scoop up a healthy wad of it) and jam them about 1/2 way into the plugs.
They go in a seedling tray, get completly soaked and then covered. I add water to the bottom of the tray, but not enough to touch the pods. If they dried out (they probably wont), those roots will go looking for that water.
I mist the dome and the clones once every 1 - 2 days. Within 10 days (generally) everything is rooted.
And this all goes on under a shoplight in a closet.

Good luck.

Treetroit City · 10-31-2012, 04:28 AM

Or use a wicking method to control the moisture in the cubes. Works for me 100%

MIway · 10-31-2012, 05:01 AM

It's a fine line between maintaining higher moisture levels to induce rooting... And too much to induce rotting. But rot kills it and ends the endeavor... Too little and you just take an extra week or two to complete, but they are all alive. Why Fuck with the line and the rot...?

Off healthy moms, cut em small with extra stem and put em in a cup of water for a day, near the light but very weak levels. Net day, dip em in ur hormone and place into the pre soaked plugs... Place on the fringe of the light with it raised high. No dome, no spraying... No watering... And it will stay moist for a week even with low rh (30's), though mid 70's temp helps. Water with one squirt per plug off a cheapo turkey baster every 5 days til they root... Then more frequently. Use a light (. 5ec) solution with roots excel.

It's hard to rot anything like that... Meaning next to zero chance of failure, just might take 2-3wks.

cirog · 11-02-2012, 12:21 AM

I tried the plugs and then the cubes and had horrible results, similar to your success rate. I used to ph water and get all serious about what I was doing. Then I read this thread.

https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...walmart+cloner

BEST METHOD EVER IN MY OPINION

I seriously have above 95% success now. Im sure some of that is due to experience, but alot of it is due to this 5 dollar ice tray and a 5 dollar bag of vermiculite. Under ten bucks and I have easily cloned 100 plants with about a quarter of the vermiculite left. The best part is that you seriously do nothing for 10 days, then they are ready.

10-31-2012, 02:50 AM	#1
Leathermonster Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 81	only 33% cloning success rate help please! So, i am using plugs and a tray with a dome under a 150w hps and rooting gel of course but my issue is that the clones will die and when i pull them out the ends look limp and melted. I think they have too much water cause i can squeeze a ton of water out of the plugs the dead clones were in. I dont add that much water to the tray underneath but im thinking i shouldnt water the tray at all but keep them moist from the top. My buddy thinks i should use rockwool cubes over a layer of perlite and i think i agree. I have 20 clones set up that are 4 days old and would like to up my success rate now instead of next time around. Any help?
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10-31-2012, 03:13 AM	#2
joe guy Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: 400 watt storage shead Posts: 987	Just barley keep thhem moist i put my plugs in plastic dixi cups and top water with medicine syringe just the little one they onlly need like half tea spoon just under the 2.5ml mark..and lil water sprayed on the dome and in the bottom thats y i use the cups to keep them away from.excess water. You want that bitch to search for.the water make her work for it or shes just gonna get lazy .. And try the dutch master replicator cheap as shit 12 for 2 fl oz.. It suucks the air bubble out of the stem kinda like burping the lil baby and a micro climate stablizer... Told someone on diffrent thread that my wife took two cuts 3 days ago and they are both still strong... And keep in mind all she dose is smoke it no experience whats so ever gardning... Thats the true test of any product let a complete noob try it if it works its good shit...good luck with ur babies bro... __________________ A man who fears nothing Is a man who loves nothing....(criminal minds) Time to rock it from the delta to the DFZ IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY POST READ A FUCKIN BOOK
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10-31-2012, 03:17 AM	#3
joe guy Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: 400 watt storage shead Posts: 987	Oh yeha and four days in u should be safe to gently squeez the excess water out of ur plugs since thre shouldnt have too many if any roots yet..and add some of ur gel u have now and dilute it a lil then reMOISTEN them not drench em with ur diluted gel just incase u saturated the existing gel out of the plug... __________________ A man who fears nothing Is a man who loves nothing....(criminal minds) Time to rock it from the delta to the DFZ IF YOU DON'T LIKE MY POST READ A FUCKIN BOOK
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10-31-2012, 04:04 AM	#4
smoke1sun What Goes Around Comes Around. But Am I Comming Or Going? Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,172	I would make sure my moms are healthy. This was 1 thing i did to increase my success rate. __________________ When I Grow Up I Wanna Be A Pollen Chuckin Closet Hack. Its M.U.R.D.A. : Midwest Underground Reefer Development Alliance
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10-31-2012, 04:28 AM	#7
wildgrow Frosty Half-Ginger Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: High, up on the Maine Posts: 4,864	Ive lost cuttings from other people, but not a clone that Ive cut yet. When I cut, I put them directly into a cup of water. After Ive taken all the cuts from 1 plant (at a time), I dunk them in rooting powder (being sure to scoop up a healthy wad of it) and jam them about 1/2 way into the plugs. They go in a seedling tray, get completly soaked and then covered. I add water to the bottom of the tray, but not enough to touch the pods. If they dried out (they probably wont), those roots will go looking for that water. I mist the dome and the clones once every 1 - 2 days. Within 10 days (generally) everything is rooted. And this all goes on under a shoplight in a closet. Good luck. __________________ *Mental Floss x Blockhead Test Grow* https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....70#post7677770 *SSC Lot M69 F2???* https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=325523 *The Crap I Have to Deal with...* https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=268995
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10-31-2012, 04:10 AM	#5
Don2Cups Member Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 31	make them work harder, try not to water them until they use up all the water in the cube/plug whatever your using. id rather let them wilt from not enough water than wilt from to much water... i usually only average 2 waterings for my clones until they root (10-14 days) in just straight coco in a solo cup. average 95% success always.
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10-31-2012, 05:01 AM	#9
MIway Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Medicated State Posts: 1,831	It's a fine line between maintaining higher moisture levels to induce rooting... And too much to induce rotting. But rot kills it and ends the endeavor... Too little and you just take an extra week or two to complete, but they are all alive. Why Fuck with the line and the rot...? Off healthy moms, cut em small with extra stem and put em in a cup of water for a day, near the light but very weak levels. Net day, dip em in ur hormone and place into the pre soaked plugs... Place on the fringe of the light with it raised high. No dome, no spraying... No watering... And it will stay moist for a week even with low rh (30's), though mid 70's temp helps. Water with one squirt per plug off a cheapo turkey baster every 5 days til they root... Then more frequently. Use a light (. 5ec) solution with roots excel. It's hard to rot anything like that... Meaning next to zero chance of failure, just might take 2-3wks.
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11-02-2012, 12:21 AM	#10
cirog Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: NE Posts: 126	I tried the plugs and then the cubes and had horrible results, similar to your success rate. I used to ph water and get all serious about what I was doing. Then I read this thread. https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.p...walmart+cloner BEST METHOD EVER IN MY OPINION I seriously have above 95% success now. Im sure some of that is due to experience, but alot of it is due to this 5 dollar ice tray and a 5 dollar bag of vermiculite. Under ten bucks and I have easily cloned 100 plants with about a quarter of the vermiculite left. The best part is that you seriously do nothing for 10 days, then they are ready.
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