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headband 707 · 10-14-2012, 05:40 PM

Grenade burns sleeping girl as SWAT team raids Billings home
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This photo, provided by Jackie Fasching, shows damage from a flash grenade to the bedroom of a West End home that was raided by the Billings Police Department's SWAT team on Oct. 9. A 12-year-old girl was burned when the grenade went off.
"This photo, provided by Jackie Fasching, shows damage from a flash grenade to the bedroom of a West End home that was raided by the Billings Police Department's SWAT team on Oct. 9. A 12-year-old girl was burned when the grenade went off.
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Jackie Fasching provided the Gazette with this photo, which shows burns to her daughter's side caused by the detonation of a flash grenade during a SWAT raid on Oct. 9.
"Jackie Fasching provided the Gazette with this photo, which shows burns to her daughter's side caused by the detonation of a flash grenade during a SWAT raid on Oct. 9.
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This photo, provided by Jackie Fasching, shows damage from a flash grenade to the bedroom of a West End home that was raided by the Billings Police Department's SWAT team on Oct. 9. A 12-year-old girl was burned when the grenade went off.
October 12, 2012 8:00 am • By ZACH BENOIT Billings Gazette
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BILLINGS A 12-year-old girl suffered burns to one side of her body when a flash grenade went off next to her as a police SWAT team raided a West End home Tuesday morning.
"She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms," said the girl's mother, Jackie Fasching. "She's got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes."
Medical staff at the scene tended to the girl afterward and then her mother drove her to the hospital, where she was treated and released later that day.
A photo of the girl provided by Fasching to The Gazette shows red and black burns on her side.
Police Chief Rich St. John said the 6 a.m. raid at 2128 Custer Ave., was to execute a search warrant as part of an ongoing narcotics investigation by the City-County Special Investigations Unit.
The grenade is commonly called a "flash-bang" and is used to disorient people with a bright flash, a loud bang and a concussive blast. It went off on the floor where the girl was sleeping. She was in her sister's bedroom near the window the grenade came through, Fasching said.
A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level.
However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade when he tried to detonate it. He dropped it to move onto a new device, St. John said. The grenade fell to the floor and went off near the girl.
"It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured."
On Thursday, Fasching took her daughter back to the hospital to have her wounds treated.
She questioned why police would take such actions with children in the home and why it needed a SWAT team.
"A simple knock on the door and I would've let them in," she said. "They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not."
She and her two daughters and her husband were home at the time of the raid. She said her husband, who suffers from congenital heart disease and liver failure, told officers he would open the front door as the raid began and was opening it as they knocked it down.
When the grenade went off in the room, it left a large bowl-shaped dent in the wall and "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said.
St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.
"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."
The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants.
Investigators consider dozens of items such as residents' past criminal convictions, other criminal history, mental illness and previous interactions with law enforcement.
Each item is assigned a point value and if the total exceeds a certain threshold, SWAT is requested. Then a commander approves or rejects the request.
In Tuesday's raid, the points exceeded the threshold and investigators called in SWAT.
"Every bit of information and intelligence that we have comes together and we determine what kind of risk is there," St. John said. "The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time."
But Fasching said the risk wasn't there and the entry created, for her and her daughters, a sense of fear they can't shake.
"I'm going to have to take them to counseling," she said. "They're never going to get over that."
A claims process has already been started with the city. St. John said it's not an overnight process, but it does determine if the Police Department needs to make restitution.
"If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside."
No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."
Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters.
"I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter's room be reprimanded," she said. "If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children."

https://missoulian.com/news/state-and...9bb2963f4.html

10-14-2012, 07:50 PM

More collateral damage in the war on drugs. Makes so much sense, doesn't it?

10-14-2012, 08:00 PM

Stupid fucking pigs.......u cops in billings are a bunch of digusting fucking shiteaters who all need to get a grenade dropped near them but a real one...i hate to hear about innocent kids...and what will the officer recieve as punishment.. I am sure it will be a slap on the wrist....he must have got bullied by young girls as a kid.... fucking coward cops....

headband 707 · 10-15-2012, 01:28 AM

Yeah this is shocking to say the LEST!! WTF? Is this how any SWAT team treats any drug bust? This is real "BO YA" Army shit against civilians and lets not forget this is drugs and this is the info they are working on "misinformation" ? wow .. What if that had been a baby? I'm hoping they see what type of complete bullshit this really is as far as feeling safe by our police force .. I think they need to rethink what they are doing here,,headband 707

Harry Gypsna · 10-15-2012, 03:03 AM

Real smart cops, super clever. "We think there is a meth lab in here, I know, lets throw an explosive device in and find out if there are any volatile chemicals lying around"
Morons

homebaked · 10-15-2012, 03:44 AM

the problem is they are never held accountable at any level. they fuck up, get sued and who pays that shit in the end. its not coming out of next years budget for them.
the guy who did it isnt going to have his checks garnished to pay restitution. Unfortunately i see things getting much worse before they get better...hope im wrong.

Stay baked....hb

Hydro-Soil · 10-15-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by headband 707

No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant."

Yeah, I can imagine their 'evidence'... probably a roll of aluminum foil in the kitchen drawer, a package of cold medicine in the bathroom and a brillo pad out in the garage. Same as every seedling is a plant worth $5,000 and the weight of a plant including the soil in the pot... and the pot.

Activity was significant enough? Who did this guy piss off to have the gestapo sicced on them?

Stay Safe!

Infinitesimal · 10-15-2012, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by headband 707

"They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not."

St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside.
"The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present."

"Every bit of information and intelligence that we have comes together and we determine what kind of risk is there," St. John said. "The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time."

https://missoulian.com/news/state-and...9bb2963f4.html

"their intel" aka "what the tweeker we caught with some meth told us so we would let him off with a warning."

"investigators did plenty of homework" but yet they didn't know there were kids there... and there was no meth lab or charges filed???... wow great investigation... plenty of homework Fa Sho!

" the warrant was based on hard evidence" so hard that they raid a house with the swat team and made zero arrests... must of been some Iron clad evidence huh?

fucking police thugs... these mother fuckers are getting outta control.

can they just say they have intel (here say) that leads them to suspect criminal activity... which allows them to break into anyones house they choose.... luckily no one was shot to death... but come on don't they have to make CI buys and show evidence to a judge to get these kind of warrants? or are they literally the gestapo?

10-15-2012, 04:49 PM

Harry G, right?

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Originally Posted by headband 707

Yeah this is shocking to say the LEST!! WTF? Is this how any SWAT team treats any drug bust? This is real "BO YA" Army shit against civilians and lets not forget this is drugs and this is the info they are working on "misinformation" ? wow .. What if that had been a baby? I'm hoping they see what type of complete bullshit this really is as far as feeling safe by our police force .. I think they need to rethink what they are doing here,,headband 707

Truth? I'd rather our boys in the Army were handling this stuff than cops. Each and every one I've known has managed to keep his brains and his wits about himself, and not a one has been so gung ho to do stuff like this, especially if they've ever seen combat, then they're even more recalcitrant to use such tactics.

MIway · 10-16-2012, 12:15 AM

Let's tell the truth folks... Cops in America can and do whatever they Damn well please... Public good and welfare is in namesake only. Any repercussions that might come from incidents like this are incidental to their overall methods... It doesn't and won't deter them in the future. There is an overall trajectory in this country, and it isn't getting any better anytime soon. Any American can be subject to their authority... I contend even the nuevo rich. If they want to come for you, they will. We should be fucking afraid.

10-14-2012, 05:40 PM	#1
headband 707 Plant whisperer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: who wants to know? Posts: 4,017	Grenade Burns sleeping girl as SWAT team raids Billings home Grenade burns sleeping girl as SWAT team raids Billings home 35 PrintEmail This photo, provided by Jackie Fasching, shows damage from a flash grenade to the bedroom of a West End home that was raided by the Billings Police Department's SWAT team on Oct. 9. A 12-year-old girl was burned when the grenade went off. "This photo, provided by Jackie Fasching, shows damage from a flash grenade to the bedroom of a West End home that was raided by the Billings Police Department's SWAT team on Oct. 9. A 12-year-old girl was burned when the grenade went off. " Jackie Fasching provided the Gazette with this photo, which shows burns to her daughter's side caused by the detonation of a flash grenade during a SWAT raid on Oct. 9. "Jackie Fasching provided the Gazette with this photo, which shows burns to her daughter's side caused by the detonation of a flash grenade during a SWAT raid on Oct. 9. " Courtesy photo This photo, provided by Jackie Fasching, shows damage from a flash grenade to the bedroom of a West End home that was raided by the Billings Police Department's SWAT team on Oct. 9. A 12-year-old girl was burned when the grenade went off. October 12, 2012 8:00 am • By ZACH BENOIT Billings Gazette (28) Comments BILLINGS A 12-year-old girl suffered burns to one side of her body when a flash grenade went off next to her as a police SWAT team raided a West End home Tuesday morning. "She has first- and second-degree burns down the left side of her body and on her arms," said the girl's mother, Jackie Fasching. "She's got severe pain. Every time I think about it, it brings tears to my eyes." Medical staff at the scene tended to the girl afterward and then her mother drove her to the hospital, where she was treated and released later that day. A photo of the girl provided by Fasching to The Gazette shows red and black burns on her side. Police Chief Rich St. John said the 6 a.m. raid at 2128 Custer Ave., was to execute a search warrant as part of an ongoing narcotics investigation by the City-County Special Investigations Unit. The grenade is commonly called a "flash-bang" and is used to disorient people with a bright flash, a loud bang and a concussive blast. It went off on the floor where the girl was sleeping. She was in her sister's bedroom near the window the grenade came through, Fasching said. A SWAT member attached it to a boomstick, a metal pole that detonates the grenade, and stuck it through the bedroom window. St. John said the grenade normally stays on the boomstick so it goes off in a controlled manner at a higher level. However, the officer didn't realize that there was a delay on the grenade when he tried to detonate it. He dropped it to move onto a new device, St. John said. The grenade fell to the floor and went off near the girl. "It was totally unforeseen, totally unplanned and extremely regrettable," St. John said. "We certainly did not want a juvenile, or anyone else for that matter, to get injured." On Thursday, Fasching took her daughter back to the hospital to have her wounds treated. She questioned why police would take such actions with children in the home and why it needed a SWAT team. "A simple knock on the door and I would've let them in," she said. "They said their intel told them there was a meth lab at our house. If they would've checked, they would've known there's not." She and her two daughters and her husband were home at the time of the raid. She said her husband, who suffers from congenital heart disease and liver failure, told officers he would open the front door as the raid began and was opening it as they knocked it down. When the grenade went off in the room, it left a large bowl-shaped dent in the wall and "blew the nails out of the drywall," Fasching said. St. John said investigators did plenty of homework on the residence before deciding to launch the raid but didn't know children were inside. "The information that we had did not have any juveniles in the house and did not have any juveniles in the room," he said. "We generally do not introduce these disorienting devices when they're present." The decision to use a SWAT team was based on a detailed checklist the department uses when serving warrants. Investigators consider dozens of items such as residents' past criminal convictions, other criminal history, mental illness and previous interactions with law enforcement. Each item is assigned a point value and if the total exceeds a certain threshold, SWAT is requested. Then a commander approves or rejects the request. In Tuesday's raid, the points exceeded the threshold and investigators called in SWAT. "Every bit of information and intelligence that we have comes together and we determine what kind of risk is there," St. John said. "The warrant was based on some hard evidence and everything we knew at the time." But Fasching said the risk wasn't there and the entry created, for her and her daughters, a sense of fear they can't shake. "I'm going to have to take them to counseling," she said. "They're never going to get over that." A claims process has already been started with the city. St. John said it's not an overnight process, but it does determine if the Police Department needs to make restitution. "If we're wrong or made a mistake, then we're going to take care of it," he said. "But if it determines we're not, then we'll go with that. When we do this, we want to ensure the safety of not only the officers, but the residents inside." No arrests were made during the raid and no charges have been filed, although a police spokesman said afterward that some evidence was recovered during the search. St. John declined to release specifics of the drug case, citing the active investigation, but did say that "activity was significant enough where our drug unit requested a search warrant." Fasching said she's considering legal action but, for now, is more concerned about her daughters. "I would like to see whoever threw those grenades in my daughter's room be reprimanded," she said. "If anybody else did that it would be aggravated assault. I just want to see that the city is held accountable for what they did to my children." https://missoulian.com/news/state-and...9bb2963f4.html __________________ Any man that knows a thing knows he knows not a damn thing at all. https://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.ph...id=1422&page=2 "WEED be everywhere" Are we growing wiser or are we just growing taller? When everyone is going left it's important to look right.. Never follow the crowd they are usually WRONG! Headband707 The more I see the less I know LOL... Micheal Faranti What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine Somthing that drives me Hazy ,, I'm I or the other's crazy?Albert Einstien Free Gypsy ffs!! 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10-14-2012, 08:00 PM	#3
idoreallytry Guest Posts: n/a	Stupid fucking pigs.......u cops in billings are a bunch of digusting fucking shiteaters who all need to get a grenade dropped near them but a real one...i hate to hear about innocent kids...and what will the officer recieve as punishment.. I am sure it will be a slap on the wrist....he must have got bullied by young girls as a kid.... fucking coward cops....
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10-15-2012, 01:28 AM	#4
headband 707 Plant whisperer Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: who wants to know? Posts: 4,017	Yeah this is shocking to say the LEST!! WTF? Is this how any SWAT team treats any drug bust? This is real "BO YA" Army shit against civilians and lets not forget this is drugs and this is the info they are working on "misinformation" ? wow .. What if that had been a baby? I'm hoping they see what type of complete bullshit this really is as far as feeling safe by our police force .. I think they need to rethink what they are doing here,,headband 707 __________________ Any man that knows a thing knows he knows not a damn thing at all. https://www.icmag.com/viewarticle.ph...id=1422&page=2 "WEED be everywhere" Are we growing wiser or are we just growing taller? When everyone is going left it's important to look right.. Never follow the crowd they are usually WRONG! Headband707 The more I see the less I know LOL... Micheal Faranti What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine Somthing that drives me Hazy ,, I'm I or the other's crazy?Albert Einstien Free Gypsy ffs!! Nas& Damian Marley " Friends" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OO18F4aKGzQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrC-yum82MI Nas&Damian Marley "Patience" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01FE9cPXE3M https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17FZIncZi8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSbZidsgMfw now you should listen to it loud...
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10-15-2012, 03:03 AM	#5
Harry Gypsna Dirty hippy Bastard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Outside BodyShop, with a Tin Whistle and a dog on a piece of string Posts: 8,157	Real smart cops, super clever. "We think there is a meth lab in here, I know, lets throw an explosive device in and find out if there are any volatile chemicals lying around" Morons __________________ Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, and none of these people are very funny.
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10-15-2012, 03:44 AM	#6
homebaked Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: East Coast, USA Posts: 96	the problem is they are never held accountable at any level. they fuck up, get sued and who pays that shit in the end. its not coming out of next years budget for them. the guy who did it isnt going to have his checks garnished to pay restitution. Unfortunately i see things getting much worse before they get better...hope im wrong. Stay baked....hb
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10-14-2012, 07:50 PM	#2
SeaMaiden Guest Posts: n/a	More collateral damage in the war on drugs. Makes so much sense, doesn't it?
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10-16-2012, 12:15 AM	#10
MIway Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Medicated State Posts: 1,831	Let's tell the truth folks... Cops in America can and do whatever they Damn well please... Public good and welfare is in namesake only. Any repercussions that might come from incidents like this are incidental to their overall methods... It doesn't and won't deter them in the future. There is an overall trajectory in this country, and it isn't getting any better anytime soon. Any American can be subject to their authority... I contend even the nuevo rich. If they want to come for you, they will. We should be fucking afraid.
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