[bigshawn]

Sign me up for the pre98 Bubba Kush x Ortega!!!!!!!!

[FOE20]

should be able to make a few of your Bubba dreams come tru Shawn bro....heh...Im considering a full p98 BubbaK x Ort polly...and the Hindu...just hard not to think they would pair well together..


Aloha IC folk...get ready cause this is a long one..heh.....first...
brother Clarence has lowered! the cost on the Riddler Krushes down to $20...amen....
When it comes to it the WKrush are solid IMO and will really help any MED needing folk to find a decent keeper perty easily...
In the Riddlers Mix those will be good to but will just take extra work to find a keeper and since its a mix it would still be unknown and so just hard to put a price on that type of work for me..
Plus the Purp-G aka POW line is a lil tricky to grow so the work involved for the grower will be a bit more tedious as well...
Understand we don;t breed for profit or any reason beside exploring a Line or multiple Lines..
never the less tho I feel thats at least reasonable for those Riddlers Krush as the options are pretty wide ranged in them..
But really what folks might find in there could take them back into the mid 90s for sure..heh..The Purp Indica line is a almost forgotten one anymore IMO...been looked over for some time now but can only hope it will find its way to the ppl that dig those older varieties..

Now for any who swooped up those TreasureMixes...man I'l tell ya the few plants I got aren;t shabby at all..2 are really big wonderful smelling almost super BBerry funks..I dont; even recall workin allot Blues at that point but hell it a good thing..I say this cause 2 of the phenoms have this characteristic and in a mix thats perty good for a few quick test beans..I will be showing the TreasureMix phenoms and the final buds...Hell I cloned those to...heh...out of aprox 12 or so seeds I culled half as they were males, ...and then 2 other odd balls that to me just weren't very impressive in veg funk n form...
What I don;t want ABN to offer is just the average plants...I think true breeders and Seed Co's should hold and distro the best or most stable work far as commercially avail lines..
Thats what ppl in the normal and Cropper Scene want/need...
For example Im not sure folk know that allot of Seed Co sales are Feminized seed...this is mainly for the guarantee of a high Female population..
I wouldn't say ABN work is best for croppers by far tho..We def specilize in only a few direct lines and really are only here to help ppl explore some new or older unique varieties...
Example being the likes of the Chem lines....You won;t see ABN working OG's at all really cause I just don't get the hype even tho Ive explored them a bit their not my cup o herb..heh...
Diesel and Chem lines tho are some wonderful examples of some new more progressive versions of just great work..
Like Loompas Headband to me was 1 if not the best DaywreckerDiesel selections Ive tried in a long time...I was rather sad to know it was outcrossed to OGs and or made into a OG line which is hard for me to understand...
But what I learned over a few yrs of swimmin in some Diesel pools was that the orig Diesel#1, DayWrecker & Headband lines are very similar...from there I found 91 ChemD, ChemD, Giesel to also carry these heavy and very strong Diesel traits...
So when enjoying them I always felt DayWreckers, Headband were teh best almost purest Diesel types...where the Chem lines seems to be more MSS(MassSSk/poss DNL?) influenced..and right there to me almost says it as DNL - Diesel x NL"...and I do agree on the Colorado origin for Chem lines..Diesel tho has been around for a while..Stil they are very unique and great lines and I'll be playing with the 91 ChemD and Giesel to start..and prob will only use these 2 plants..

Another topic real quick is that I get offered cuts a plenty but what Im finding is allot of them are stressed or seem depressed...Like yr after yr of cropping gets to them after a while of the prior keeper just didn;t manage well or had to much to manage to give each that bit of extra attention..I really try to give every type full attention and feel this is 1 thing that ABN bring to the scene thats missing a bit..I dont blame the croppers or folk whi try any of it tho...Just saying when folks make mention of a Line and how low it yield or questions the quality I just hope they are truly judging with a fair hand...I just don;t think thats the case over all and allot of strains get a bad rap very fast but let me expand on why...Lets take BubbaKush...Most wil say Bubba is a great breed but is low on Yield....Which is not the case as Bubba will yield and Ive seen it , it just takes a certain diet and if taken a lil longer on that diet will prod like a true Kush does...Heavy..and Heavy..
another are the Diesel and Chem lines which are challenging to grow..but also can yield great...To me are only a Skunk-NL-Desel combo and that must be considered when croppin it..Run a chem or Diesel out to 12wks and see how it hits ya tho.....heh.....find outt what the term "DayWrecker" really means incase you've never experienced it..
Really IMO try any and ALL varieties at a min of 10wks to start...From there make the call whether to run longer or Shorter,,..
But Never run a Line to 8wks and expect it to be the possible Best rep of the variety...Theres just to many that Are already hybrid and if yo don;t give them the chance to express it to you yo may never really know those expressions truly...
Perfect example....In Holland/Netherlands they can grow and pull planst 1-2 Weeks Earlier than folks in the States..Canadians are closer to teh way that Herb grows in the Nethers but its still 2 diff barometric regions..Barometric pressures play a big role to me and its not something we can control Indoor but it must be a consideration when enjoying a line that is far from its homeland..


I'll be working more on the new lines for Sagarmatha from here but for now we feel our offerings are worthy and hope pl really find some enjoyable offspring within them..
A few other strains I like that may be involved in some off shoot hybs are listed and shown below....I've got some ready now tho so any interest in the hybrids mentioned just keep a eye on the Server fund or 420 Cup listings...I requested a very low cost for them so lets hope it happens..
for ICmag Server/420-Cup fund are...
Kahili Web (HWI hyb-ck2) x Ortega - no name yet...
3xBMoonshine x Ort - Mexi Moonshine (aka the BlueTaco)

Once again our Ortega line is based on the original Ortega line and No NL or MNS seed connection...It is a true line Cultivar and we want to bring it back and rep it as that...
As is the Mazar(Mishku) and the PNW PurIndica...these are not the typical hot cuts by far...heh.....I'd actually say their just the opposite and basically forgotten..
I see it as the PurpInd is 1 of the orig Purp lines...the Maz is 1 of the orig sssc seed Selections.. and the Ortega is a JimOrtega wonder Indica as was his MapleLeaf Indica..
Ok folks that my latest and hope everyone is enjoying the end of Winter...or hope its over soon anyway...Can't wait for spring and keep um rollin folks..
FOE20

as always Foe great job on your future releases and your work with Sag will breath new life into them. hope all is well and thanks for keeping the Blues alive my friend.
DJSHADOW

[azez]

Keep up the good works my friend
any more work with toms deep chunck
peace
ez

Hey Foe, glad to hear you found something interesting in your treasure mix, I'll be watching for updates-counting the days til I can pop mine. Also good to hear you've got stuff coming in for the SF and cup fund, I'll be keeping an eye out for it. Take it easy

[OldLuck]

Yo Foe, what crosses do you have with the PI? Hard to find beans of almost all the things you talk about. I bet your Mazar is amazing.

[S_a_H]

Originally Posted by FOE20

I've got some ready now tho so any interest in the hybrids mentioned just keep a eye on the Server fund or 420 Cup listings...I requested a very low cost for them so lets hope it happens..
for ICmag Server/420-Cup fund are...


3xBMoonshine x Ort - Mexi Moonshine (aka the BlueTaco)

I think that i'll have to get one or two packs of this not that I don't already have enough seeds to test. I got two packs of the white krush f2's and one of OGR's Fire Alien Romulan.

[FOE20]

gratzi DJShadow bro...can only try to do my best...keep ur faith in the blues and it will come back round to you man...

man Azez..hmm...did you ever try the DUI?.....which is the DCxLUI...
I ferget which hyb you were runnin of those...def some rich thick herbs....but not yet or soon on DC...Im holdin out cause I got the x18-Paki?...so think thats the next of Toms I gata see what he was into..but I could see in the end a DC/Px18 fun hyb for Hill fans..
Im sure he prob has a ver of that already tho to...
DC for me was a bit CDB type effect and Im not 1 that needs allot of CBD...so just not my thing atm....

Dipper yea and I'l show a few buds here soon on them..their a lil deep in teh bloom room and hard to get at for pics....a lil hairy pistil lookin atm but buds are pinecone sized now..almost afraid of late rot cause of the size but their mid bloom and not dense yet..and Im not sayin its my grown or the genetics..what I think is goin on is its a PBut or BLue related hyb ...these dont need much N and I sorta boosted that early cause of comin up short a few times recently..they used it late and so the flower time is extended...but girthy...heh...thnx for the interest...

hey OldLuck bro..the Maz is a true old lady...its a serious work horse+quality plant....maybe a lil flat in ways of stand out now a days...but she shines thru bout any room...
PInd work is deep here..into it now since 2006 or so..just got the actual PInd cut early last yr...tested to death..it proved itself..started the work..Used a POW pG13 dom Male base...
Bx1 to PInd done...ran those...selected PInd Male PInd dom...Bx2 done...orig PInd was already a Bx3...so this should start to get vary stable sooner than later...the hybs I keep close or make more on avr are...
Working on a IB-BL(In Bred Back line) PNW PInd now...not just back crossed but worked forward as well..to avoid inbred depressive traits..
Purp-G - the orig hyb of Pg13 / PInd - Im still workin on isolating the g13 end..may use Clips Pg13 work..
Purple Butters - (Budders phenom-c99)MorningDew x Purp-G
the entire pool of Riddlers Mix is a POW pool...
and POW is motarebels name sake for Purp-G in respect to ndnguy...
Im workin it from the orig PInd cut and Gruru's(Kings of Canna) work...your not gana find a ton of info but it is out here...motarebs said a word on it a few tomes and his POW is a great rep of the line..I respect his work ut we do thing our own ways...I pref to really go after certain parts of aline..Not sure on his over all approach but his work has spoke for itself...
The PInd is not easy to get to proper expression..Not sayin its a total pita but its a lil tricky IMO....be more info to come on her and all that tho...

man those Aliens are blowin up...S_a_H...hold on the 3xBMs man....and the WKrush is cake..thats only a friend and then me knockin 2 winners together...just was a good idea to add soemthin tastie to the white that didnt pull any thing from her as well...shit is a mad lookin white type frosted GKrush..yea Im good with that...heh...

Honestly We love allot of varieties..any questions or thoughts on cuts or anything of that nature just ask...I post lists of what we hold in order to help ppl that may have prob or just wana know the lines better...I don;t know allot about them all but I get to know each one and each does have its own weird lil vibe..
perfect example being having 91 ChemD and Giesel in the same spot...Im learning on these and their almost as tricky as blues can be..Not heavy veggers..and really beautiful plants when they relax...Anyway heres what we hold atm in house and any thoughts were always open to...
and and on a groovy note..I have a partner and great friend and we've worked together a plenty and his nick is TKO(theKindOne)...He just reaquired a nice old GreatWhiteShark phenom we had aprox 7yrs ago...its a nice beast and may incorporate her into the work just to get her out there again for ppl..
But we are looking for a old Northern Durban cut...and the Electric or Metal Haze that leaves the battery acid taste in your mouth!...heh..TKO has weird tastes to say the least...

but no matter what Keep Growin With your plants....
so just hangin out tonight and hope everyones enjoyin some fine herb and friends or a good woman...
FOE20
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DjShort BBerry heirloom cut
3xBMoonshine
FBlueSativa
MOB - Mother of Berries cut
Purp Urkle
Purp Butters
PNW Purp Indica
Maz - aka Mishku (Mazar I Sharif HinduKush)
NorCalGooey
Ortega
Herijuana
Hindu Kush - Bodhi's Inline
osSSH
theWhite
White Krush p2
White Grape p1 test pup
BananaOG
p98 BubbaKush
Sensi 95 NL inline - Bart
KodiakGold/Lav
Kahili Web - HWI/DFoot pool by ck2
old Skunks nest line

[Laughing Jim]

Hey all, 'specially you, Foe20, just what is the bottom line on Ortega? I am confused after reading this thread.

Thanks a lot, Jim

[FOE20]

Originally Posted by Laughing Jim

what is the bottom line on Ortega? I am confused after reading this thread.
Thanks a lot, Jim

aloha Jim....which part do you find confusing?...To be fair the world of Historical Cannabis Genealogy is not a clear road...
How can we as simple folk understand what the most progressive persons involved really accomplished?...
We, or in my case..Study their every move...
In my time with cannabis I read and grew many seed in the hopes of only understanding a few certain lines very clearly...
Im no expert on any of this and really my only goal is to increase my expertise with certain lines as they unveil them selves to me..
We can follow Lines, to the breeders,..to the origins if theres enough information...Which is key and also the most problematic as stories change..

Ok my view is- and this is only my feel of all the info I have gained in my study of the variety-Breeder of...Ortega was a MLeaf off Line to start...
if Nevil receibved Ortega in Seed form...than that to me says allot...Nevil selected from those Seeds...Choosing what he felt was the best being the Ort#15 selection..Which you;ll see he notes as (ML=MapleLeaf)......Im still deciphering the back notes..So far Im assuming
AfgT = Afghan Thai
AfgS = AfghanSkunk
Both only used as Outcrossing tools..also adding a bit of hermie prone from both Thai and Sk lines...its all well documented and actually has been updated by Nevil himself on certain sites..
Im not sayin what I have is in any way is a Pure form of Ortega..
Im doing what any cat who wants a Pure lines would do..Search and Isolate its traits to best of our ability...
Ok so to get to the point....What the fook do I know about Ortega...Well heres my path to discovery...and it showed me what was what rather than me knowing what to expect...
It stared with the LUI line....this was my first reason to understand what Ortega was cause of its use...LI for me was huge..a massive plant with perty damn good quality for a seed co..
I tried to isolate Ortega within LUI...perty much impossible..but actually I did glean a lil from running these...more than I did from other said Ort based lines..it was still quite unclear tho..
So I then started lookin around for Ort hybs..
after multiple runs of both LUI...DannyBoy....and poss another but Im trying to recall the 3rd...also and mainly the 1 I found the Best in yet...
Texas kids Ortega x BC-HPlant...From this I did find a interesting character...It was a Taco on a stalk..I thought o myself..why would it be called Ortega...Ortega where Im from is a very Mexican-Spanish term..or even the company itself Ortega tacos is what it reminded me of..
The Lui to me was a prob even trying to isolate in..mainly cause their claim was Ortega(mom?) x Swt(Bx2-F1)
...it was allot of Swt...I believe cause Ortega is more Pure..Swt being a Hybrid added more to the Pool thus widening the Pool and making it dom'd by the Swt (BBerry -Thia/SPG pool from hell)..etc...
..
So on to DannyBoy...this was a damn nice variety and didnt carry as much of the Massive form but had a stone and flav that was similar to the best Ind doms I found in the LUI...super spicy and somewhat unique..Still no way to get further as DBoy was super limited stock and I didnt have enough to explore...So on to the next which happen to just land in my lap cause someone else didnt get what it could of been...This was the Ort x BC-HP by TKid of TRC...
Now I don't follow breeder so bare with me...I follow the variety..learn as much as piossible and then work as hard to Match its orig docs...Within TKids Ort hyb line I finally isolated a plant I feel is a very relative Ortega phenom...
I have shown it earlier in the thread and Ive only been tryong to make sure pol don;t think its a selection of the latest MNS Ortega offering..cause its not...I do however have the hiest respect for the NL lines, MNS, Shanti and Nevil...but this was all started by JimOrtega...which Im a lil nervous atm...your nick is Jim...Im assuming your a elder..joined 2005...am I talkin to just a Jim...or....
I will add more...but so far this lil bit should tell anyone how and what I did...or am trying to do..
the latest part of this is I met a cat who said he's held a Ort cutting for 12yrs..He feels its very relative to the info Im gaining..I sent my pollen to him..the f-gen in prog..and the rest is unknown for now...much thnx for your interest and hope Im doing some good work or justice to these heirloom/fore founder lines..
Really Im just doing what feel right....no ide if this will all bow up in my face or not..thats not my concern....I just want to know myself so this is wheres its gotten me...
btw..I see we have a friend in common with ndnguy...and what a great guy indeed...
FOE20

Ort15 male which was also pure Maple Leaf. This was the most indica ML male.

Neville S.2013
The Maple Leaf came from a guy known to me as Jim Ortega. We traded seeds for a while. Not only did he supply me with Maple Leaf, but also Garlic Bud and Kush 4. The cannabis smoking world owes him a lot.
The Maple Leaf line provided me with a plant that I labeled Afghan T. This plant is the mother of Super/Ultra Skunk and also crossed well with HzC. Kush 4, I crossed with NL2(which had the same Kush smell) and this Kush Hybrid is the foundation of todays Kush lines......Some of the AfgT and AfgS (ML) crosses with skunk went towards lemon. In particular AfgS. AfgT x Hz C also had haze lemonish phenos. It's well worth fishing in those lines..
If u find it.....u know what to do.