[Gert Lush]

Originally Posted by TanzanianMagic

1) Are there still good outlets for the Spice Brothers seeds?
2) Is Reeferman's Hoa Bac (Silver Leaf) - Vietnamese Mindfuck still available somewhere?
3) Is there anyone else who has landrace Vietnamese seeds?

1) No. They've been out of operation for five years now. I'd be fairly suspicious of anyone who claims they have their gear. It was very popular, and flew off the shelves once they were gone.

2) I've looked at some of Reef's later offerings, and he just doesn't seem to have those Asian strains he once had.

3) Not that I know of, outside of what's been said on this thread.

Sorry I can't give you more positive input, but that seems to be the situation at the moment.

[Rinse]

Ace's Viet black intersts me a lot, the description of the earthy taste and balanced up high sounds like a good sativa for me, I remember Real seeds released a viet-lao landrace that may still be around somewhere. Good luck.

[monkey5]

I have one female..Luin Hahn 99 going right now from Fet and Heavens Stairway days! Looks very sativa looking! Thin leaves all the way! It is Nevils Haze crossed to Viet Black mom..c-99 dad was used! I have c-99 polen and have seeds forming now as I type this! also hit with that c-99 polen..one Joey Weeds c-99 Female! Clones are going outside in the Nor Cali. sun soon of that Luin Hahn 99 female! Great threat! I have Viet Combos to look threw.. also! Nevils Haze was said to be selected from 100's of females! I am looking forward to this harvest! monkey5

[therevverend]

In the early 90s I was soaking at the hot springs passing joints and beers around. Got to bullshitting with this dude, he said he wished he had some smoke to share but all he had was a few seeds to give me. Said he was from Hawaii been growing out there for years. Planted them for my first indoor grow.
They were small brown seeds with no spots barely looked viable. Two sprouted one was a scraggy looking male I immediately killed(no!!) and the other was a finicky female which grew into a beautiful mother that turned so purple she turned black. Orange hairs, greenish white THC crystals totally coated. Quick seven week flowering time. Seemed to be an sativa/indica cross. Such beautiful colors. She smelled exactly like Hawaiian Punch. One of my friends who didn't know I grew it said to me trying to sound like an expert, "They water this stuff with Hawaiian Punch right before they harvest it to make it taste that way" I just chuckled to myself.
Grew her for many years, never got offspring equal to the mother. It was always tricky to grow, finally lost her. Spent the last few years looking for her. Some of the Bubba Kush crosses like peyote purple look close but aren't it. These Vietnamese black are close. My idea is to cross Vietnamese Black with a dark purple Indica. Makes sense since Hawaii is between the USA and Vietnam. Hope to breed a real Hawaiian Punch someday.

[DemonPigeon]

Originally Posted by therevverend

In the early 90s I was soaking at the hot springs passing joints and beers around. Got to bullshitting with this dude, he said he wished he had some smoke to share but all he had was a few seeds to give me. Said he was from Hawaii been growing out there for years. Planted them for my first indoor grow.
They were small brown seeds with no spots barely looked viable. Two sprouted one was a scraggy looking male I immediately killed(no!!) and the other was a finicky female which grew into a beautiful mother that turned so purple she turned black. Orange hairs, greenish white THC crystals totally coated. Quick seven week flowering time. Seemed to be an sativa/indica cross. Such beautiful colors. She smelled exactly like Hawaiian Punch. One of my friends who didn't know I grew it said to me trying to sound like an expert, "They water this stuff with Hawaiian Punch right before they harvest it to make it taste that way" I just chuckled to myself.
Grew her for many years, never got offspring equal to the mother. It was always tricky to grow, finally lost her. Spent the last few years looking for her. Some of the Bubba Kush crosses like peyote purple look close but aren't it. These Vietnamese black are close. My idea is to cross Vietnamese Black with a dark purple Indica. Makes sense since Hawaii is between the USA and Vietnam. Hope to breed a real Hawaiian Punch someday.

Do you know somewhere you can get vietnam black?

Lets not forget that Hawaii had plants of various provenance end up there over time, historically vietnam wasn't hugely linked to hawaii. Though after the war a lot of vietnamese seeds made it to the US.

What we really need is someone to make genetic profiles while many landraces are still either extant or with direct descendents with at least some kind of established link to the original.

[therevverend]

I wish. Only the crosses some of these seed companies have. Gonna be looking for it. Honestly I have no idea if there's any Vietnamese in my Hawaiian Punch. I'm only going by pictures and strain description. Hawaii has always been a port for ships from all over the world. My strain could had Columbian, Mexican, Thai, or whatever for the Sativa part. But when I look at pictures some of the Vietnamese crosses look similar as do certain dark Indicas. I've never seen any Hawaiian strains that come even close. Except ones that have Vietnamese. Gonna be a fun, time consuming project.

[bigmotaman48]

Try the Mekong high from Dutch Passion .I call mine Mrs. 5 by 5 it won,t be ready in 8 weeks though as the description says,more like 11 weeks and probably 10 to 13 ounces , my Nigerian dispensary clones are about 2 weeks ahead of my Vietnamese , not all sativas ripen the same.

[DemonPigeon]

does the mekong darken up in flowering?

[TanzanianMagic]

Originally Posted by therevverend

But when I look at pictures some of the Vietnamese crosses look similar as do certain dark Indicas. I've never seen any Hawaiian strains that come even close. Except ones that have Vietnamese. Gonna be a fun, time consuming project.

Here are a few photographs of Vietnamese landrace cannabis from another website.

The second plant has some very broad leaves.

Notice the mountains in the background though.

In the tropics, highland strains have more indica traits like broad leaves, than in the lowland areas. My guess is that there are more clouds and rain higher up, and the broad leaves (as always) are useful in conditions of less light.

[Gelado`]

I need a trip to Vietnam!