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budMASTERmoose · 05-07-2004, 04:17 AM

I have a question about the new bubba kush strain from seedsdirect. I have heard of this strain, but only in clone form.
how do you produce seed with this strain. I know about the gibberellic acid and light pollution methods, however I was all ways lead to believe this is not a good thing, as it could give the future generations of this strain hermaphroditic tendencies. Isn't this the case with the G 13 clone also. I thought thats why they can only bread this strain mixed with another, and if this is the case why would anyone want to purchase all female seeds as aren't these the methods that are used to create them. Thanks

MOOSE

teddynugent · 05-07-2004, 04:02 PM

Those are basically the only methods I know of. No matter how it happens, I think selfing a plant is no good. I don't like fem seeds at all. Always kinda had bad results with them(hermies, poorer growth characteristics, not as potent). That's just my expericne and opinion with fem seeds. Some people love them, but I'm not one of them. I'll take my chances with regular old seeds.
I guess i can see selfing as a last resort though. I would do it if that is the only possible way I could get a strain I was dying for or keep a strain that I didn't want to lose.

budMASTERmoose · 05-08-2004, 12:02 AM

In mylife time I have purchased 5 packs of feminized beans and all the plants I grew to harvest showed little Bannana sac's. I don't like the fact that some of the best breeder's are selling these strains. all other normal seed I have purchased and grown did wonderfull. I agree with you Teddy if It's a must and you know its your fav go for it. They have not done this with pure g-13, Why not.

Moose

JLP · 05-08-2004, 01:16 AM

I could be wrong but,I think you're thinking of OG Kush that is available only as a clone.

I think Bubba Kush is a cross of Bubblegum and OG Kush,but again I could be wrong.

JLP

PALM · 05-08-2004, 02:31 AM

I am not 100% on this, but I think bubba Kush is a cross of:

Purple Kush x Bubblegum

JLP, I grew out some of your Juliets and all I can say is WOW, def. a keeper in the bunch. I was happier with those beans than some that I have paid some pretty coin for. Way to go! Keep me in mind for future tests!! I heard that you have a HAZE project going on! Goodluck!

Sour Cheers!

budMASTERmoose · 05-08-2004, 04:37 AM

Sorry about that guy's. Can some one suggest a good stable feminized strain for me to try out.
Could my problem be the place were I purchased my seeds, www.ironseedsales.com. look at some of his prices on soma strains, the beans are way to expensive, and now I'm thinking theres more problems at ironseed other then his prices.
I have an order in transit with seedsdirect. It's my first order online. If it gets here I,m thinking of a soma feminized strain from them. what do ya think.

Thanks Moose

budMASTERmoose · 05-08-2004, 08:19 AM

I did a search, this is what I came up with. Bubba Kush S1 self femenized seeds. classic clone company. For a dynamite description go to www.hempqc.com.

Moose

teddynugent · 05-08-2004, 03:36 PM

Like I said, I've honestly never had good luck with fem seeds and I never order them(anymore), so I can't really suggest a stable fem strain. I would think that all feminised strains would have a pretty decent chance of going hermie. I really don't know though. I just don't see how 1 fem strain could be more stable than another(as far as hermies go). I don't breed fem stains though. So, maybe after some back-crossing, you can get away from the plants tendancy to go herm. I'm sure someone else would know a lot better than me.

As far as Iron Seed Sales go, I definately don't think that they were your problem. I've only got seeds from them once, but they all turned out great. I also have a friend who almost always gets his seeds from there and has never really had a problem, but he won't touch feminised seeds either. Iron Seed Sales has the same seeds you would get from Seeds Direct. They sell the breeder's original seeds in the original package. They charge more for them, but they are still the same seeds. Feminised seeds from Seeds Direct have exactly the same odds of having bananas as the seeds do from Iron Seed Sales(Hidden Jungle).

]If anything, I would say that it was the fem seeds in general. The fem seeds you get from SD are not going to be any better than the one's from ISS. Your grow environment could have maybe helped them to go herm also. That's the other thing about fem seeds that I noticed from my experience. You have to have every aspect of your grow environment pretty much perfect to keep the plants female. It seems like if 1 thing is off, the plants are going to herm for sure. Like if the temp is a little too high, or they get stressed out from anything, it seems they go herm right away. They are touchy plants to grow (again from my experience). Instead of having males and females like you get from standard seeds, you get plants that are both male and female. They are just not worth it to me. I'd rather have to just sex my plants and move the males than have to check my "female" plants for bananas every damn day.

Anyway.....What strain/s did you order from SD? Whatever it was, god luck with it. Oh, and don't worry about whether or not the seeds will get there. I can't even count how many times I've ordered from SD and I have always recieved my seeds.

Stay safe,

-Teddy

budMASTERmoose · 05-08-2004, 08:07 PM

Thanks Teddynugent, every other strain I have grown out from iron has been great, Just not the feminzed ones. I'm starting to suspect it's fem seeds in general, not worth the trouble.
Iron is the only place that I have purchased seeds and I really don't have any other seed purchasing experience.when I searched the net I just felt like they were charging way to much.
Teddy You are a fountain of information, thanks again. I have ordered BOGs lifesaver, Gypsy's bubblicious and snowwhite. Can't wait till they get, as i am in need of seed.

Moose

YourHighness · 05-09-2004, 05:06 AM

Gypsy's seeds are in the GN Collection (and he collected them not bred them). The Bubbilicious and Snow White hail from Nirvana a seed company that Gypsy sells (They're available through lots of places). BOG Genetics on the other hand can only be found at Gypsy Nirvana's SeedsDirect. Just thought I'd clear that up a bit.

05-07-2004, 04:17 AM	#1
budMASTERmoose New Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	Only in clone ? I have a question about the new bubba kush strain from seedsdirect. I have heard of this strain, but only in clone form. how do you produce seed with this strain. I know about the gibberellic acid and light pollution methods, however I was all ways lead to believe this is not a good thing, as it could give the future generations of this strain hermaphroditic tendencies. Isn't this the case with the G 13 clone also. I thought thats why they can only bread this strain mixed with another, and if this is the case why would anyone want to purchase all female seeds as aren't these the methods that are used to create them. Thanks MOOSE
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05-07-2004, 04:02 PM	#2
teddynugent Chronic User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm living.... Posts: 167	Those are basically the only methods I know of. No matter how it happens, I think selfing a plant is no good. I don't like fem seeds at all. Always kinda had bad results with them(hermies, poorer growth characteristics, not as potent). That's just my expericne and opinion with fem seeds. Some people love them, but I'm not one of them. I'll take my chances with regular old seeds. I guess i can see selfing as a last resort though. I would do it if that is the only possible way I could get a strain I was dying for or keep a strain that I didn't want to lose. __________________ The best advice I've ever got & can give on growing is "Loose lips sink ships". I was told that by a local hydro shop owner, when getting ready for my first grow. “A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.” -Abraham Lincoln December, 1840. "Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind." –Said by a top-ranking DEA Judge.
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05-08-2004, 12:02 AM	#3
budMASTERmoose New Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	In mylife time I have purchased 5 packs of feminized beans and all the plants I grew to harvest showed little Bannana sac's. I don't like the fact that some of the best breeder's are selling these strains. all other normal seed I have purchased and grown did wonderfull. I agree with you Teddy if It's a must and you know its your fav go for it. They have not done this with pure g-13, Why not. Moose
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05-08-2004, 01:16 AM	#4
JLP Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: 21 Jump St. Posts: 1,130	I could be wrong but,I think you're thinking of OG Kush that is available only as a clone. I think Bubba Kush is a cross of Bubblegum and OG Kush,but again I could be wrong. JLP
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05-08-2004, 02:31 AM	#5
PALM Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 71	I am not 100% on this, but I think bubba Kush is a cross of: Purple Kush x Bubblegum JLP, I grew out some of your Juliets and all I can say is WOW, def. a keeper in the bunch. I was happier with those beans than some that I have paid some pretty coin for. Way to go! Keep me in mind for future tests!! I heard that you have a HAZE project going on! Goodluck! Sour Cheers!
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05-08-2004, 04:37 AM	#6
budMASTERmoose New Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	Sorry about that guy's. Can some one suggest a good stable feminized strain for me to try out. Could my problem be the place were I purchased my seeds, www.ironseedsales.com. look at some of his prices on soma strains, the beans are way to expensive, and now I'm thinking theres more problems at ironseed other then his prices. I have an order in transit with seedsdirect. It's my first order online. If it gets here I,m thinking of a soma feminized strain from them. what do ya think. Thanks Moose
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05-08-2004, 08:19 AM	#7
budMASTERmoose New Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	I did a search, this is what I came up with. Bubba Kush S1 self femenized seeds. classic clone company. For a dynamite description go to www.hempqc.com. Moose
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05-08-2004, 03:36 PM	#8
teddynugent Chronic User Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: I'm living.... Posts: 167	Like I said, I've honestly never had good luck with fem seeds and I never order them(anymore), so I can't really suggest a stable fem strain. I would think that all feminised strains would have a pretty decent chance of going hermie. I really don't know though. I just don't see how 1 fem strain could be more stable than another(as far as hermies go). I don't breed fem stains though. So, maybe after some back-crossing, you can get away from the plants tendancy to go herm. I'm sure someone else would know a lot better than me. As far as Iron Seed Sales go, I definately don't think that they were your problem. I've only got seeds from them once, but they all turned out great. I also have a friend who almost always gets his seeds from there and has never really had a problem, but he won't touch feminised seeds either. Iron Seed Sales has the same seeds you would get from Seeds Direct. They sell the breeder's original seeds in the original package. They charge more for them, but they are still the same seeds. Feminised seeds from Seeds Direct have exactly the same odds of having bananas as the seeds do from Iron Seed Sales(Hidden Jungle). ]If anything, I would say that it was the fem seeds in general. The fem seeds you get from SD are not going to be any better than the one's from ISS. Your grow environment could have maybe helped them to go herm also. That's the other thing about fem seeds that I noticed from my experience. You have to have every aspect of your grow environment pretty much perfect to keep the plants female. It seems like if 1 thing is off, the plants are going to herm for sure. Like if the temp is a little too high, or they get stressed out from anything, it seems they go herm right away. They are touchy plants to grow (again from my experience). Instead of having males and females like you get from standard seeds, you get plants that are both male and female. They are just not worth it to me. I'd rather have to just sex my plants and move the males than have to check my "female" plants for bananas every damn day. Anyway.....What strain/s did you order from SD? Whatever it was, god luck with it. Oh, and don't worry about whether or not the seeds will get there. I can't even count how many times I've ordered from SD and I have always recieved my seeds. Stay safe, -Teddy __________________ The best advice I've ever got & can give on growing is "Loose lips sink ships". I was told that by a local hydro shop owner, when getting ready for my first grow. “A prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.” -Abraham Lincoln December, 1840. "Marijuana is the safest therapeutically active substance known to mankind." –Said by a top-ranking DEA Judge.
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05-08-2004, 08:07 PM	#9
budMASTERmoose New Member Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 16	Thanks Teddynugent, every other strain I have grown out from iron has been great, Just not the feminzed ones. I'm starting to suspect it's fem seeds in general, not worth the trouble. Iron is the only place that I have purchased seeds and I really don't have any other seed purchasing experience.when I searched the net I just felt like they were charging way to much. Teddy You are a fountain of information, thanks again. I have ordered BOGs lifesaver, Gypsy's bubblicious and snowwhite. Can't wait till they get, as i am in need of seed. Moose
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05-09-2004, 05:06 AM	#10
YourHighness Join Date: Jan 1970 Location: Surprised to be Here. Posts: 78	Gypsy's seeds are in the GN Collection (and he collected them not bred them). The Bubbilicious and Snow White hail from Nirvana a seed company that Gypsy sells (They're available through lots of places). BOG Genetics on the other hand can only be found at Gypsy Nirvana's SeedsDirect. Just thought I'd clear that up a bit.
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