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vta · 07-31-2012, 04:39 AM

John Stossel is a smart guy.....

Author: John Stossel

AMERICA, THE LAW-CRAZED

Over the past few decades, America has locked up more and more people. Our prison population has tripled. Now we jail a higher percentage of people than even the most repressive countries: China locks up 121 out of every 100,000 people; Russia 511. In America? 730.

"Never in the civilized world have so many been locked up for so little," The Economist says.

Yet we keep adding more laws and longer jail terms.

Lavrentiy Beria, head of Joseph Stalin's secret police in the old Soviet Union, supposedly said, "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." Stalin executed anyone he considered a threat, and it didn't take much to be considered a threat. Beria could always find some law the targeted person had broken. That's easy to do when there are tons of vague laws on the books. Stalin "legally" executed nearly a million people that way.

I'm not saying that America is like Stalin's Russia, but consider the federal laws we have. The rules that bind us now total more than 160,000 pages. The Congressional Research Service said it was unable to count the number of crimes on the books. Yet last week the feds added or proposed another thousand pages. States and cities have thousands more. Have you read them all? Have our "representatives" read them all? You know the answer.

When there is a big crime, legislators quickly demand that felons be given longer jail sentences and "mandatory minimums" for repeat offenses. This wins votes but kills judicial discretion and crushes unlucky people.

In Iowa, a man with an old felony conviction found a bullet, put it on his dresser and forgot about it. A police officer, looking for something else, saw the bullet. Felons may not possess any ammunition, and this "crime" made the man a repeat offender. He's now serving a 15-year mandatory sentence for possession of ammunition. Really. The long sentence was appealed, but the U.S. Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld it, saying its hands were tied by the mandatory minimum set in law.

Most of us won't be victimized by mandatory minimums or the countless ambiguities in today's laws, but if you are the kind of person America needs most - an inventor who creates something or someone who builds a business - there is a bigger chance that you'll fall victim to the incomprehensible maze. The laws burdening business and finance are bewildering - Dodd-Frank merely piled on. Even enterprises with big legal and accounting departments better watch out.

Then there's the so-called war on drugs - a war on people, actually. Lots of politicians admit that they used drugs in their youth - even presidents. Barack Obama wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father": "Pot had helped ... ; maybe a little blow ( cocaine ) when you could afford it."

And, yet in office, these same politicians preside over an injustice system that jails a million Americans for doing what they did. Don't they see the hypocrisy? Give me a break.

Libertarian entertainer Penn Jillette has it right: "If Obama had been caught with the marijuana that he says he used and 'maybe a little blow' ... if he had been busted under his laws, he would have done hard ----ing time ... time in federal prison, time for his 'weed' and 'a little blow,' he would not be president ... would not have gone to his fancy-ass college, he would not have sold books ... made millions of dollars. ... He would have been in ----ing prison, and it's not a goddamn joke."

I want my government to arrest real criminals - ones who violate our rights - and to lock them up so we'll be protected. But our politicians go way beyond that. Governments at all levels have long been in the business of forbidding conduct that violates no one's rights and piling on complex laws to govern conduct that might harm someone. And they keep passing more.

They have created a byzantine maze of criminal law that is so incomprehensible that even legal specialists don't agree on what the rules specify. Then ambitious prosecutors ruin lives enforcing those laws. The prosecutors and lawmakers say this is for our own good.

No, it's not.

PhatPhreddy420 · 07-31-2012, 04:43 AM

First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.......

Drift13 · 07-31-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by PhatPhreddy420

First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.......

Right after we take out all of the blue-gang....

To all police reading this....it's a joke....ya know hahaha

08-01-2012, 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by PhatPhreddy420

First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.......

the second thing we do is hunt down the ones that ran

the "rule of law" crap that these meatheads have pushed onto all of us have nothing to do with right and wrong ........... and justice ....... sure doesn't happen in court these days

bentom187 · 08-01-2012, 12:25 AM

this guy wrote a book called 3 fellonies a day.its just a short overview but you get the idea.

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08-01-2012, 12:43 AM

as someone who is committed to personal Freedom (as much as I can understand what that means) and who lives at some distance from your country ... I am constantly amazed at yr internal political processes.

and at the great divide between yr privileged and underprivileged.

we get the tv show 'Cops' over here and the number of times I have seen a prowl car pick on some black kid because he 'looked suspicious' sickens me. inevitably when the kid is found to have a joint or something equally evil on him ... the end voice-over is: '... and another threat is taken off the streets'.

no doubt yr countryside is more benign ... but gee I 'm glad to be living in the wonderful LAND of OZ.

MIway · 08-01-2012, 04:32 AM

I know it might seem odd at first... but even god-fearing middle America is scared... its a religious organization affiliated w the 700 club...

https://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2012/F...stem-Run-Amok/

Overcriminalization is what they are referring to it as. Odd bedfellows.

07-31-2012, 04:39 AM	#1
vta Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 4,292	America, The Law-Crazed John Stossel is a smart guy..... Author: John Stossel AMERICA, THE LAW-CRAZED Over the past few decades, America has locked up more and more people. Our prison population has tripled. Now we jail a higher percentage of people than even the most repressive countries: China locks up 121 out of every 100,000 people; Russia 511. In America? 730. "Never in the civilized world have so many been locked up for so little," The Economist says. Yet we keep adding more laws and longer jail terms. Lavrentiy Beria, head of Joseph Stalin's secret police in the old Soviet Union, supposedly said, "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime." Stalin executed anyone he considered a threat, and it didn't take much to be considered a threat. Beria could always find some law the targeted person had broken. That's easy to do when there are tons of vague laws on the books. Stalin "legally" executed nearly a million people that way. I'm not saying that America is like Stalin's Russia, but consider the federal laws we have. The rules that bind us now total more than 160,000 pages. The Congressional Research Service said it was unable to count the number of crimes on the books. Yet last week the feds added or proposed another thousand pages. States and cities have thousands more. Have you read them all? Have our "representatives" read them all? You know the answer. When there is a big crime, legislators quickly demand that felons be given longer jail sentences and "mandatory minimums" for repeat offenses. This wins votes but kills judicial discretion and crushes unlucky people. In Iowa, a man with an old felony conviction found a bullet, put it on his dresser and forgot about it. A police officer, looking for something else, saw the bullet. Felons may not possess any ammunition, and this "crime" made the man a repeat offender. He's now serving a 15-year mandatory sentence for possession of ammunition. Really. The long sentence was appealed, but the U.S. Eighth Circuit Court of Appeals upheld it, saying its hands were tied by the mandatory minimum set in law. Most of us won't be victimized by mandatory minimums or the countless ambiguities in today's laws, but if you are the kind of person America needs most - an inventor who creates something or someone who builds a business - there is a bigger chance that you'll fall victim to the incomprehensible maze. The laws burdening business and finance are bewildering - Dodd-Frank merely piled on. Even enterprises with big legal and accounting departments better watch out. Then there's the so-called war on drugs - a war on people, actually. Lots of politicians admit that they used drugs in their youth - even presidents. Barack Obama wrote in his memoir, "Dreams From My Father": "Pot had helped ... ; maybe a little blow ( cocaine ) when you could afford it." And, yet in office, these same politicians preside over an injustice system that jails a million Americans for doing what they did. Don't they see the hypocrisy? Give me a break. Libertarian entertainer Penn Jillette has it right: "If Obama had been caught with the marijuana that he says he used and 'maybe a little blow' ... if he had been busted under his laws, he would have done hard ----ing time ... time in federal prison, time for his 'weed' and 'a little blow,' he would not be president ... would not have gone to his fancy-ass college, he would not have sold books ... made millions of dollars. ... He would have been in ----ing prison, and it's not a goddamn joke." I want my government to arrest real criminals - ones who violate our rights - and to lock them up so we'll be protected. But our politicians go way beyond that. Governments at all levels have long been in the business of forbidding conduct that violates no one's rights and piling on complex laws to govern conduct that might harm someone. And they keep passing more. They have created a byzantine maze of criminal law that is so incomprehensible that even legal specialists don't agree on what the rules specify. Then ambitious prosecutors ruin lives enforcing those laws. The prosecutors and lawmakers say this is for our own good. No, it's not. __________________ "When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." - Thomas Jefferson C'mon...You know you want to click this... American? Click here...
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07-31-2012, 04:43 AM	#2
PhatPhreddy420 Keed Spills! Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 113	First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers....... __________________ Hittin' the tree harder than Sonny Bono!!!
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08-01-2012, 12:43 AM	#6
Sat X RB Guest Posts: n/a	as someone who is committed to personal Freedom (as much as I can understand what that means) and who lives at some distance from your country ... I am constantly amazed at yr internal political processes. and at the great divide between yr privileged and underprivileged. we get the tv show 'Cops' over here and the number of times I have seen a prowl car pick on some black kid because he 'looked suspicious' sickens me. inevitably when the kid is found to have a joint or something equally evil on him ... the end voice-over is: '... and another threat is taken off the streets'. no doubt yr countryside is more benign ... but gee I 'm glad to be living in the wonderful LAND of OZ.
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08-01-2012, 04:32 AM	#7
MIway Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Medicated State Posts: 1,831	I know it might seem odd at first... but even god-fearing middle America is scared... its a religious organization affiliated w the 700 club... https://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2012/F...stem-Run-Amok/ Overcriminalization is what they are referring to it as. Odd bedfellows.
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