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Old 06-30-2012, 12:41 PM #1
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Flat Stem on Bubblegum plant

Claude,

I started 5 Bubblegum around 27 May and they germinated fast and strong plants, however one of the plants (the fastest and strongest from the start) developed a Flat stem, it's not round it's flat. Is this common among the Bubblegum line? Will this produce an inferior plant? My pack of BG is "U - BG 0145 - reg"
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Old 06-30-2012, 06:26 PM #2
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ive seen this happen and everytime ive seen this happen they end up yielding alot less. This will not effect taste or potency. Wasnt with bubblegum strain though. Plant will not form a solid formed top on the flat stem, will look like it does but will be mostly stem. Id recommend cloning, then run the clone and see if it happens again cause ive only seen it happen with seed plants.
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Old 06-30-2012, 08:57 PM #3
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Yea I clone every seed prior to flower and of course I took cutting off normal looking branches, but it's such a young plant the biggest branch is the flat one. I'm not really going for yield with seeds, just like to run em to start my selections.
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Old 07-20-2012, 03:55 AM #4
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Hey Claude,

I've now got 2 out of 5 Bubblegums that have developed a flat stem, both females. Both developed them under fluorescent veg lights I never got a reply the first time but is this common? I've read that if you clone a round branch they won't grow the flat stem but I'm concerned. Simon has been my favorite breeder for over a decade but I've never had this with previous White Russian or AK runs.

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Hey Claude,

I've now got 2 out of 5 Bubblegums that have developed a flat stem, both females. Both developed them under fluorescent veg lights I never got a reply the first time but is this common? I've read that if you clone a round branch they won't grow the flat stem but I'm concerned. Simon has been my favorite breeder for over a decade but I've never had this with previous White Russian or AK runs.

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Hi Grojak,

I have spoken to Simon and he would like to ear from you direct.

Please explain to Simon in an email at info@seriousseeds.com

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Old 07-24-2012, 09:22 AM #6
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Old 07-27-2012, 07:46 PM #7
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It's called fasciated stem
If you top them, they will kick back and grow normal.
Here is a thread I made about it.
https://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread....ght=flat+stems
It doesnt seem to effect yield, in fact I might even say it improves it.
I actually got it on 2 clones, from 2 different strains at the same time and also a 3rd female in flower.


Fasciation (or cresting) is a condition of plant growth in which the apical meristem, normally concentrated around a single point, producing approximately cylindrical tissue, becomes elongated perpendicularly to the direction of growth, producing flattened, ribbon-like, crested, or elaborately contorted tissue. The phenomenon may occur in the stem, root, fruit, or flower head.

Fasciation can be caused by a mutation in the meristematic cells, bacterial infection, mite or insect attack, or chemical or mechanical damage. Some plants may inherit the trait.

Fasciation is rare overall, but has been observed in at least a hundred different plant species, including members of Aloe, Celosia, Delphinium, Digitalis, Euphorbia, Forsythia, Primula, Acer, Prunus, Cannabis and many genera of Cactaceae (cactus) and Salix. Cresting results in undulating folds instead of the typical "arms" found on mature Saguaro cactus.[1] Some varieties of Celosia are raised especially for their dependably fasciated flower heads, for which they are called "cockscomb".



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I have had the same thing with one of my Bubblegummers from female seed company:



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Not to bring up another breeder's stock, but could fasciation account for blockhead's typical square budding?
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Not to bring up another breeder's stock, but could fasciation account for blockhead's typical square budding?

Doubtful, fasciation has a very distinct look when looking at the top of the bud. Some buds just grow squared off but not elongated in the center like these pics. Its hard to find a good image because most people dont know what it is, but it is more common then you think. I have seen a few fasciated bud pics posted over the years.

Here is some google images, notice the common trait.





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