[maree]

Good answer VG! Brought back the Gregor Mendel and "hybrid vigour" of my o level biology days. And of course you're right, both about the genetics and about the fun and personal choice to be exercised as a result of variation. Just a bit of a pain when all you want is four tidy plants from four tidy seeds in one go to get a nice bit of bramble for yourself. For me, one small crop - and I mean small - if relatively uniform, will give me sufficient twig for between nine months and a year. The process of selection and keeping mothers, while I can imagine it being a completely absorbing hobby, then becomes an onerous job/risk when there are plenty of other things to be responsible for. I guess we all look for the method which best suits us and our lives.

Maybe I'll knuckle down or maybe I'll check out Tom Hill, as you advise Mr V.

Seamaiden - good point too. I guess my outlook predisposes me to judge commercial enterprises (unlike VG's and others which I consider more "artisan") harshly. On your last point, I didn't mean influence over how vigorously any given seed grows cos I can see how you can influence that - but it's inherited, genetic potential for growth. Analogy - I could have trained, got the right nutrition, etc. from birth and never run as fast as Bolt. Although I would certainly have made myself a bit nippier than I am, I don't have the natural abilities he does. If it's the latter sort you meant then please fill me in!


Anyway, if you're not too frustrated with all the guidance - I joined seedbay - there doesn't happen to be a uk version that I'm missing does there? I know of seedboutique but have read so many scare stories, don't know whether to order form them or not - any opinion? I'd love to get hold of some BOG seeds and these are the only two places I can find them from searching.

[VerdantGreen]

hey maree, seedboutique and seedbay are pretty much the same company but different shopfronts as it were. both are considered very reliable and are based in the UK, so you should be fine ordering off them.

perhaps if you dont want variation you should try running 1 plant at a time, vegging it a bit bigger and then lst/training it to keep the height down?

to get uniform plants the best way to go is look for proper f1's that are two stable lines crossed together... then you get the hybrid vigor but also more uniform offspring

VG

[botany]

Hi VG,
I've been on these forums for quite some time now (maybe 6 or 7 years on and off) and I remember your grows in the micro forums.

These days I spend of my time lurking. life happens you know, various reasons why I guy can't just grow his ass off ALL THE TIME. Girlfriends, Money issues, family issues. You name it.

Anyway, sorry to ramble, but GOOD LUCK on the seeds bro, I will DEFINITELY be considering your line up!

Keep us posted!

[maree]

Originally Posted by VerdantGreen

hey maree, seedboutique and seedbay are pretty much the same company but different shopfronts as it were. both are considered very reliable and are based in the UK, so you should be fine ordering off them.

perhaps if you dont want variation you should try running 1 plant at a time, vegging it a bit bigger and then lst/training it to keep the height down?

to get uniform plants the best way to go is look for proper f1's that are two stable lines crossed together... then you get the hybrid vigor but also more uniform offspring

VG

Been pondering your advice for a few days and have some putative plans of action.

Have been using a couple of scrog styles and other micro techniques largely gleaned from, or inspired by, icmag members but with a few small plants - running one bigger one sounds good. Have always felt that age was a factor (ie a longer veg time) in producing a fully rounded smoke and this is a useful way forward for me.

with regard to strains, have been tempted by Real Seed Company stock for some time and, in due course, will invest in something from them and, possibly, taskenti, from canna biogen as well as running some more variable strains. But I'll also be a little more patient, take my time, and build myself a little collection of bonzai mothers, which I'll sustain over the year regardless of immediate need and extra hassle. No pain, no gain.

I might even further downsize, use a weetabix box and the light off my son's led keyring (joke - but going smaller but more often for variety's sake might be an idea - a change is as good as a rest).

Anyway, thanks for taking the time to help, man, it's good of you.

[VerdantGreen]

hey maree,
thats pretty much what i do, i try and keep cuttings of all the plants i grow, and then keep them as mums if i think it's worth it (usually not but you cant tell untill you've been smoking it for a few weeks. i use an old kitchen wall cupboard with two 'eco' style t5's in there and ive plumbed it into my other cabs so the ventilation passes through it.
i can keep up to about a dozen mums under 42w of light quite easily, but usually i keep around half a dozen in there and sometimes use it for vegging as well. often i dont use cuts from a mum for months but they;re still there when i want them. you have to be fairly ruthless though and not try to keep everything forever!

VG

[wildgrow]

Congrats VG! Are you still growing in that trash bin/ LED setup? Did you just go ahead and flower in it anyway? Cant wait to see what you drop on us. cheers

[VerdantGreen]

hey wildgrow, thanks, yeah the bin grow is in my sig. i got well over an ounce from a 28w light which was cool. the real reason i made that bin was to flower out males though... and that should be happening real soon. i need to reverse another bubba to get pollen and make more seeds ( i have one seeded plant atm but no idea how many seeds it will yield, maybe none, maybe hundreds )

ive also popped a dozen or so of my Cherryjuana cross (herijuana x Cherry bomb maui ibl) and am going to make the first batch of f2's.

VG

[mellowfellow]

The bubba kush s1's you have look fantastic! The cherryjuana sound interesting.

Maybe you consider crossing the cherry bomb ibl to bubba.

Any which way I wish you the best.

[VerdantGreen]

hey mf, thanks, ive already crossed the CB to the bubba, in fact ive crossed it it quite a few things including Chem D, sour diesel and other elites. the cross with bubba didnt come out as well as the cherryjuana (CB crossed with herijuana) which is a similar genetic mix i think,
The cherryjuana is a really potent but also happy and introspective smoke.

My plan is to, eventually, do a 'regular' seed (not feminised) bubba line but i havent found the right outcross yet. Deep chunk was a little too dominant over the bubba and i wasnt convinced by the CB either. i have a couple of other outcrosses that im testing atm
as soon as i find one that i think is right i will back-cross it to the bubba cut.

VG

[mellowfellow]

Sounds delightful. All the best to you.