[Smokahontas]

Ok this thread has turned into "how many watts is too many?" to "Can i trust my friend with my grow?"

I don't need input on whether or not I can trust my friend or what the result will be. This person is my best friend who I trust with my life. We have big plans on building some equity so that we don't throw out 15k a year renting in OC. We have good reason to be doing it, and like I said I trust this person more than anyone. ANYONE.

So, no more input on whether or not living with my friend is a good idea. Gratzi!

[Smokahontas]

Originally Posted by Zen Master

condo's suck for growing. Houses are where its at.
simplify some more
follow a method/nutrient regiment that has been demonstrated time and time again that WORKS. DONT go spending 10k setting up a DoubleD Undercurrent system.
simplify even more.
you DONT need snakeoil 'enhancers'
and one I feel most growers that are asking questions like yours...
double your expected costs, halve your expected yield.



if you're asking "how much is too much" you need this info even if you dont think you do. I've been in your shoes.

Dude, for 200k you think I am going to get property in Huntington Beach or Costa Mesa? Let's be real. Condo is all I can afford with that budget.

I am well aware of how to grow. I've done it before. Snakeoil enhancers? That's not what my concerns are right now. I've grown before. Not tryna be rude, but it's just not the topic of the conversation.

[Zen Master]

Originally Posted by Smokahontas

but you also have NOTHING to show for what you are paying for in the end. That is the trade off of buying or renting. I can rent and not have title, or I can buy and then I will have title and I will also have equity in my name.

Like I said I also hear it is wack to grow in rented property because it is rented = not yours. Landlords are always going in and out and shit.

seriously?

you're worried about 'building equity' in a grow house?

grow for a couple years, pay 30k in rent and BUY YOUR OWN HOUSE STRAIGHT UP CASH.


landlords dont just cruise through unannounced, you find the right landlord moreso than the right house. If you're on a month to month yeah they might wanna show it around, you sign a year lease and why in the fuck would they be showing it to potential renters?

[Smokahontas]

People on IC Mag can be such downers sometimes! I love that you guys are just trying to help, but I am just asking about how many watts is suspect in Orange County. Those who live there are welcomed to give input. But so many threads get sidetracked by off topic issues that get over scrutinized!!!

[Smokahontas]

Originally Posted by Zen Master

seriously?

you're worried about 'building equity' in a grow house?

grow for a couple years, pay 30k in rent and BUY YOUR OWN HOUSE STRAIGHT UP CASH.


landlords dont just cruise through unannounced, you find the right landlord moreso than the right house. If you're on a month to month yeah they might wanna show it around, you sign a year lease and why in the fuck would they be showing it to potential renters?

Dude, I just don't think you are following me. This isn't a grow house. I happen to be growing in it. But still, this isn't a "grow house" It's my house. I plan on living in it and enjoying my time there. Building equity by buying a house is incredibly smart. Like I said, who wants to throw away 15k a year renting in orange county? I would rather spend that money and then get it back when I sell it in the end. Makes sense to most people...

Also, buy a house in straight up cash?? Are you joking? If you want the IRS to investigate then yeah go for it. Anything over 10k in cash and you need IRS forms. You can't buy a house in cash dude. Are you serious?

Lastly, you are right that landlords don't come thru unannounced. They have to post 24 hour notice. So now let me ask you something, what the fuck do I do when I have a 4k watt grow running and I get a 24 hour notice under my door that says the landlord is going to show it to a potential buyer? I am fucked dude. Fucked fucked fucked.

And you ask why would they be showing it to potential renters...? Um... because that's what people do... they look at the place before they rent...

[Zen Master]

Originally Posted by Smokahontas

Second - I guess I wasn't clear about my plan. My friend, who is my best friend from college who I trust more than anyone, is just a buddy who we are going in on for the condo. Just the condo. We aren't splitting expenses/profits from grows or anything like that.

you trust each other NOW, give it a year of growing together. Not tryin to be a downer or piss on your parade, its just the reality of this biz.

Your buddy is just gonna throw out tens of thousands, let you live and grow there, and expect nothing other than the 'equity' he gets?

I have friends in the midwest who I will be moving it to so midwest prices on a 4kw grow and I should be good to go.

all the more reason to just do this all yourself via renting. Why in the FUCK are you tying yourself to an immobile ball n chain? I just dont get it? whats the upside? equity? who cares when you can just buy your own place after a 'good week in vegas'?


if you've grown before and can produce that top notch boo (thanks mega ) why move? why change anything? just keep doin what you were doin.

[Yes4Prop215]

well the main issue, is now you are putting your friends money at risk by growing there. and he is also at risk for arrest, is he even aware of this? or is he blind about the consequences of felony cultivation combined with asset forfeiture....so depends how good friends you are. if he just stays in his room, and is good at not talkiing to police or random people about your grow...maybe it will work for a few years. until he gets tired of having a messy grow in his house and having girls over who ask questions about it...etc. point is you never know where things end up after a few years..

the grow puts the equity at risk...so make sure to keep all cash, scales, and other illegal shit seperate.

im just letting you know man, because i have personally seen 2 different condo grows involving partners and roomates NOT work...even with best friends.


if there was no grow involved i see it working,...but trust me, unless you just got a small 1kw 4x4 closet in your bedroom for personal growing he is gonna whine about it..a 3kw is gonna make a mess in your house. my 4kw room has basically taken over the entire bottom floor of my house, a 2nd bedroom with 1kw of veg lights, my downstairs bathroom for nute mixing and nute storage, 2-3 closets for equipment storage and a male flower chamber, half a hallway for other random tools and equipment. its gets messy man....and someone not accustomed to living in a grow is gonna bitch.

my friend grows in a 2 bdroom condo and its taken over his own bedroom and his extra bathroom, and his living room is always full of random grow related shit....not a comfortable living situation to most folk.

[Smokahontas]

Input from other people would be great, because it seems like some of the info I am getting is backwards. Maybe I am wrong, but I would just like more opinions to strengthen my understanding.

[Smokahontas]

Is a 3k grow really going to get me to forfeit my assets? Like some people said... 3k? Chump change... I feel like everyone and their grandma has a 3k grow in California.

[Zen Master]

My bad, you're asking about wattage amounts and I'm telling you you're about to fuck up big time. You dont wanna hear it so I'll let it get back on topic.

1k per bedroom can look 'on the high end of normal' as far as usage goes.

GOOD LUCK!